September 19, 201411 yr Wanted them to leave just to shake things up personally. Would have been good to watch.
September 19, 201411 yr Greater Manchester's turn next!! Apparently we are bigger than Wales and yet we don't have the same control over the running of our area like the Welsh have.
September 19, 201411 yr Greater Manchester's turn next!! Apparently we are bigger than Wales and yet we don't have the same control over the running of our area like the Welsh have. More layers of government? More politicians? More snouts in the trough?
September 19, 201411 yr Where is McJazza while all this has been going on? towing is caravan from one 3rd world shit hole to anougth 3rd world shit hole
September 19, 201411 yr Where is McJazza while all this has been going on? Turnip planting season pal.
September 19, 201411 yr You're fantasising again aren't you luvvie? If I was gay, I'd be way out of your league. Plus I'm not sure the old bear look would be the one I'd pick.
September 19, 201411 yr If I was gay, I'd be way out of your league. Plus I'm not sure the old bear look would be the one I'd pick. Could he not tempt you with a trifle?
September 19, 201411 yr Glasgow; nowhere near enough Turnout was lowest in Glasgow and Dundee I believe, the two areas Yes needed to win very big. Like others have said I wanted them to leave, the arrogance and complacency of it all has got my back right up. They already get favourable terms from the Union, I hope they get no more.
September 19, 201411 yr Turnout was lowest in Glasgow and Dundee I believe, the two areas Yes needed to win very big. Like others have said I wanted them to leave, the arrogance and complacency of it all has got my back right up. They already get favourable terms from the Union, I hope they get no more. totally agree
September 19, 201411 yr what makes you say that Malc? 53.5% (No) to 46.5% so far after 13 out of 32 results. only 800k in numbers mind the glasgow and surrounds to sway it back? The Motherwell/Coatbridge (North Lanarkshire) vote was the one which caused me alarm. Fortunately only Clydebank (West Dunbartonshire) joined the leftist cities of Glasgow and Dundee. The middle classes bothered to vote. Some of the leftists stayed in their bars. The huge problem now is that G Brown's rousing speech said that the Barnett formula will be retained and the additional devolution powers will be sorted before the UK election. On the first it is wholly unacceptable (as I pointed out on page 1), and a great embarrassment to Lord Barnett - it was invented to bend over backwards to favour the Scots in 1978 and never remotely suitable for the long term. And if the government can't sort out the extra powers PDQ Labour will be able to present a strong case to the Scots.
September 19, 201411 yr It's not even English according to the newspapers, well, Marina Polvay of The Palm Beach Daily to be precise... http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1961&dat=19810212&id=uq4zAAAAIBAJ&sjid=k-kFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1296,2896882 In other news, I've heard the Pope has been the subject of an assasination attempt.
September 19, 201411 yr Salmond's resigned. Well I never had him down as a man of principle/honour Well played him. British fair play, one might say
September 19, 201411 yr Salmond, Sturgeon...something fishy at the heart of the SNP. Its a killer way to go. Basically says Cameron had already reneged on promises, Miliband will never sign up to what is being proposed about only English MPs voting on English matters as its a death knell for Labour in Scotland. He leaves looked like the triumphant losers saying, told you them lot won't do what they said and Scotland can go back to being victims. Its win win for Salmond and Scottish national identity. If they'd have got interdependence it'd have been like Liverpool being made the capital city of the UK; it'd throw their equilibrium right out of 'kilt'er.
September 19, 201411 yr Miliband will never sign up to what is being proposed about only English MPs voting on English matters as its a death knell for Labour in Scotland. In that case he is light years behind the curve - and it is unbelievable that he hasn't arrived at a strategy when it was one of his own who cooked up the extra devolution offer in the first place. Everyone else saw what a constitutional Pandora's box it was. Labour has got massive problems ahead of it in England as Miliband is going to have explain why the West Lothian question should remain as it is. No-one in England will now stand for that.
September 19, 201411 yr Still absolutely gutted the bravehearts never gave the English people freedom,I can only hope now that a Englishman will step forward and form a English national party and fight for the greatest people on earth,the English Our time will come when we won't be treated as second class citizens,stand up fight English men,women and children,let's show the pussycats how you gain independence.
September 19, 201411 yr In that case he is light years behind the curve - and it is unbelievable that he hasn't arrived at a strategy when it was one of his own who cooked up the extra devolution offer in the first place. Everyone else saw what a constitutional Pandora's box it was. Labour has got massive problems ahead of it in England as Miliband is going to have explain why the West Lothian question should remain as it is. No-one in England will now stand for that. He's not really, they knew this was always looming, as I said before, the SNP gaining a majority which was never suppose to be has speeded this whole knotty issue up. Devolution was always going to happen in Scotland and Wales, whichever party was in power would have had to have gone down that route, but is was a short term stop gap over the bigger issue which you correctly raise. New Labour didn't care at the time because it ensured they were the more electable party. Regional English devolution, whilst high on the agenda at the moment, might fade, it might not - it's never really been a burning issue with the English until the 'uppity' Scottish started to want their cake and eat it, which naturally puts the electorate in English into a position of asking 'why not us?' rather than the question that should be being asked which is, 'why should we and what real benefits would regional devolution bring?' Aye right, and English National Party - that's what we need.
September 19, 201411 yr He's not really, they knew this was always looming, as I said before, the SNP gaining a majority which was never suppose to be has speeded this whole knotty issue up. Devolution was always going to happen in Scotland and Wales, whichever party was in power would have had to have gone down that route, but is was a short term stop gap over the bigger issue which you correctly raise. New Labour didn't care at the time because it ensured they were the more electable party. Regional English devolution, whilst high on the agenda at the moment, might fade, it might not - it's never really been a burning issue with the English until the 'uppity' Scottish started to want their cake and eat it, which naturally puts the electorate in English into a position of asking 'why not us?' rather than the question that should be being asked which is, 'why should we and what real benefits would regional devolution bring?' Aye right, and English National Party - that's what we need. OK well if the only way to secure Labour's prosperity in England is regional assemblies then the Conservatives can sleep easily. There is no appetite for it at all. A solving of the West Lothian question is all that is really necessary for the English. If Labour can't deliver that then they deserve what is coming. I think they are in serious trouble.
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.