Todays Games

[Casino]

45 minutes ago, RUREADY2ROLL said:

That’s because few travel to London these days as WFH is the norm. HS2 being scrapped was the right decision 

So much shit in 2 lines

[Marc505]

Had a period of mild drizzle down here.

[green genie]

Yoofs having fun getting to our easiest trip of the season to West Brom. Trains stopped at Cheltenham so detour via Hereford and Worcester. Couldn’t go across to London village as line at Swindon flooded as well

[Marc505]

Scintillating atmosphere for this scouse derby

[captainmed]

I don’t understand why Liverpool players aren’t wearing black armbands?

Perhaps they fancy a week off…..

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 hours ago, Casino said:

So much shit in 2 lines

Yet travel figures say he's spot on.

Numbers have never recovered since covid.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Gary O'Neil and Aaron Ramsdale

Two ex-Wanderers having a good weekend

[deeane Koontz]

Arsenal's keeper is having an absolute mare. Odd signing along with Havertz

[deeane Koontz]

Looks like Poch is knocking Chelsea into shape

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

11 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said:

Arsenal's keeper is having an absolute mare. Odd signing along with Havertz

The one at the other end isn't much better

[Zico]

Meanwhile at Derby 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyqwXaoOUqh/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

[Marc505]

Andy Holt on a mad one

[SatanGreavsie]

22 hours ago, Marc505 said:

Had a period of mild drizzle down here.

That's Everton's new ground in the middle of a drought 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

32 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

Andy Holt on a mad one

A superb read

[Casino]

19 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Yet travel figures say he's spot on.

Numbers have never recovered since covid.

Hs2 was as much about improving the local network as it was about speed

And numbers arent going to increase while the service is rank

[bolty58]

Due to betting exploits, I watch a number of Eredivisie games each week this season. So far, Feyenoord, PSV and AZ Alkmaar have been ultra consistent profit generators. Watched all of their games this weekend.

I only mention this as there is one player who impresses me week after week and I suspect may end up in the PL any time soon. AZ's right back, Yukinari Sugawara. Keep yer eye on him. Proper good un this lad.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

Hs2 was as much about improving the local network as it was about speed

And numbers arent going to increase while the service is rank

Hs2 was a high speed line. Sold very much as that. Even the bloke who sorted hs1 said it wasn't what it was cracked up to be.

Yes local transport needs improving (hopefully the money promised will come) and indeed without it a faster line would be pointless if getting to it was bobbins.

As for the numbers- local transport was shite before covid but many more were still using the service.

Right back to the beginning of this, and folk were linking studies to the high speed job in Spain, which suggest that all it has done is increase the size of the commuter belt to the big city. Not necessarily brought about the improvement wanted.

The northern region will grow in its own right with better services within it. 

[Dr. Feelgood]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Hs2 was a high speed line. Sold very much as that.

The only real winning argument for HS2 was that without a secondary line upkeep & maintenance on the increasingly decrepit current main lines would drag on for decades with rail works most nights & weekends creating huge disturbance.

A second route would allow that to be used while upgrades could crack on.

Selling it (for me) as "30 minutes quicker to Euston from Chester" meant nothing. It's only 2 hours now, when Mick Lynch allows it*.

I can lose that looking for a parking spot.

The costs were never controlled & only today we're hearing that the HS2 builders were constantly hiding overspends. It began as £30bn, moved to £60bn, now £139bn & a realistic current estimate was £180bn & counting. Shocking & unsupportable. That could be far better spent upgrading local links & seeing tangible results quickly. Obviously cancelling it allows various City Mayors to showboat their anger.

 

*of Lynch & Co. Why would any sane Govt. spend another penny on the railways just to be held hostage by that lot ?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

So long as the investment occurs more locally, throughout the region then yes.

It's not coming back, whoever wins the election, so it's on to the new government to ensure that the money arrives.

[jayjayoghani]

9 hours ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

The only real winning argument for HS2 was that without a secondary line upkeep & maintenance on the increasingly decrepit current main lines would drag on for decades with rail works most nights & weekends creating huge disturbance.

A second route would allow that to be used while upgrades could crack on.

Selling it (for me) as "30 minutes quicker to Euston from Chester" meant nothing. It's only 2 hours now, when Mick Lynch allows it*.

I can lose that looking for a parking spot.

The costs were never controlled & only today we're hearing that the HS2 builders were constantly hiding overspends. It began as £30bn, moved to £60bn, now £139bn & a realistic current estimate was £180bn & counting. Shocking & unsupportable. That could be far better spent upgrading local links & seeing tangible results quickly. Obviously cancelling it allows various City Mayors to showboat their anger.

 

*of Lynch & Co. Why would any sane Govt. spend another penny on the railways just to be held hostage by that lot ?

HS1 was built without controversy so can only assume it was built largely to predicted budget and time frame.

Probably due to governments of the time. Major and Blair. 

It these cunts in charge, again.

[Dr. Feelgood]

6 minutes ago, jayjayoghani said:

HS1 was built without controversy so can only assume it was built largely to predicted budget and time frame.

Probably due to governments of the time. Major and Blair. 

It these cunts in charge, again.

I remember very well the Channel Tunnel being built & Thatcher saying o the construction companies wtte "Well, meet your budgets cozcwe aren't going to bail you out".

They, of course, went overbudget. They, of course asked for more money. Thatcher, of course, looked at them & told them "no". 

[green genie]

8 hours ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

I remember very well the Channel Tunnel being built & Thatcher saying o the construction companies wtte "Well, meet your budgets cozcwe aren't going to bail you out".

They, of course, went overbudget. They, of course asked for more money. Thatcher, of course, looked at them & told them "no". 

A lot to do with changing attitudes to H&S and Environmental issues in large scale construction these days. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

9 hours ago, jayjayoghani said:

HS1 was built without controversy so can only assume it was built largely to predicted budget and time frame.

Probably due to governments of the time. Major and Blair. 

It these cunts in charge, again.

Far more complex than that.

The initial estimate was little better than plucking a number from a bingo machine. Surveying work wasn't done beforehand for example- so how anyone could give a cost is bizarre. 

Subsequently, there has been far less agreement by mps as to the validity of the scheme. That exists within all parties let aline as a difference between parties.

[Dr. Feelgood]

1 hour ago, green genie said:

A lot to do with changing attitudes to H&S and Environmental issues in large scale construction these days. 

Then they'd be built into the bid.

It's more down to rapacious contractors and piss-poor public procurement & inspection.

[jayjayoghani]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Far more complex than that.

The initial estimate was little better than plucking a number from a bingo machine. Surveying work wasn't done beforehand for example- so how anyone could give a cost is bizarre. 

Subsequently, there has been far less agreement by mps as to the validity of the scheme. That exists within all parties let aline as a difference between parties.

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