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[Mounts Kipper]

He backed SA by paying Okocha £80k a week, plus bonuses, plus a house, plus getting him off 3 speeding fines, paying his money into offshore accounts at great risk to the club.

 

Allardyce got plenty.

Okocha was on 30k, Sky money covered that easily. Stop defending Eddie Davies he's indefensible. Edited March 6, 2016 by Mounts Kipper

[Spider]

Okocha was on 30k, Sky money covered that easily. Stop defending Eddie Davies he's indefensible.

Nope.

 

He was on £80k Mounts.

 

There was a sea of "bonus" money going offshore in those days.

 

made fuck all difference to me, I was just glad he was here.

[Mounts Kipper]

Nope.

 

He was on £80k Mounts.

 

There was a sea of "bonus" money going offshore in those days.

 

made fuck all difference to me, I was just glad he was here.

Sorry spider you are wrong.

[Spider]

Sorry spider you are wrong.

????

 

Honest, I'm not.

 

I've not been privy to much inside info down the years, hardly any in fact, but this is concrete.

[jules_darby]

I was always under the impression that Lennon would be due just 12 months compensation, regardless of when he gets potted. It is certainly a better option than say getting rid of a manager after say 18 months of a 4 year contract. I stand to be corrected of course.

Maybe, I have no idea what he's on

 

But that isn't a 12 month rolling contract

 

That's a contract with a 12 month notice period

 

Massive difference

Edited March 6, 2016 by jules_darby

[HR]

casino , stop trying to defend/ blame certain people. the club has been fucked up by davis and gartside. end ov

 

shit managerial appointments, shit signings,stupid contracts.

 

come monday night we might not have a club to support.

The past is the past. We may not have a club come next week which makes reading fellow fans bickering over the virtues of ED really saddening. We can only look forward, hopefully together and if you were right all along pick any prize from the bottom shelf, it's worthless.

[BOWTUN BAKED]

This plan that people often mention.

 

What should it have been?

Live within your means.

 

Like we had done before.

 

It's not a difficult concept to comprehend.

[BOWTUN BAKED]

He backed SA by paying Okocha £80k a week, plus bonuses, plus a house, plus getting him off 3 speeding fines, paying his money into offshore accounts at great risk to the club.

 

Allardyce got plenty.

Woah, woah, woah!

 

Are you now seeing the light?

 

Are you now seeing the offshore mess?

 

Will you now see that ED was part of it & culpable for it? Or PG or the rest of the incompent leeches lining their pockets?

[BOWTUN BAKED]

Sorry spider you are wrong.

He's not wrong.

 

The figures might be. The rest isn't

[darrener]

Can we stop going round and round in circles! Nobody wanted to get us in this position on purpose. Eddie Davies whether he put 175 million or 10 million into the club makes no difference to me, the guy has done all he can to make the club successful unfortunately it just hasn't worked out. Phil gartside was regularly called a cunt until he died some so called Bolton fans even suggested he was faking it! Now I didn't know Phil but some of the stories I read about him were heart warming, the guy was Bolton through and through and to be honest Eddie Davies is too. Once you become a Bolton fan it gets in your blood, it's like a sticky turd you just can't shake and I've tried many times, for me the decline started when Stuart holden was crocked by Johnny Evans a person who really deserves the term cunt. Then the terrible incident with muamba at spurs and has bad things always come in three's chungys injury in pre season at Newport. 3 top players lost if they'd have stayed fit this would have turned out differently I'm sure. Anyway that's all history it's gone, we are now heading down to league one this is were the real fans come to the fore, the mountskippers,noballs, gonzos and even the cheeses, the true supporters!! I think we have a really good hardcore of support that will be help us rise again and we will rise again! If Dean holdsworth finally gets the club this week I for one am going to give him my full support because at the moment he's all we've got I'm sure he's got Bolton at heart and will try his best to make Bolton successful when he mentioned driving up to the ground and getting goosebumps I new he was one of us,just like Phil and Eddie. It might take a few years but we'll be back! We are Bolton wanderers it's what we do. Coywm

[birch-chorley]

Your completely blinded by the fact we had some great seasons under Eddie, it wasn't him who gave them to us as much as it sticks in the craw it was SA. Eddie had 3 key decisions to make that would have changed everything he got all 3 wrong, 1. Should have backed SA. 2. Should have inserted contract reductions on relegation

And 3. Should have purchased a golscorer this season to keep us up. The blame lies with our benefactor Edwin Davies.

Thing is mounts, 2 of your 3 things we should have done differently include spending even more money that we don't have

 

The other one of the three talks of being more conservative with a budget which is bang on for me

 

Big mistakes were made in getting us to this point, were overspending massively on and off the field and this should have been reeled in 2/3 years a go

 

My concern is that it's impossible to run us on our shite gate receipts alone. £10m non playing costs including 300 non playing staff is daunting on its own before you even think about a decent playing squad

 

Even if they made 200 of them redundant and worked miracles to bring non playing costs down by 66% to £3.33m it would still leave us with £0 for players

 

Perhaps ED knew the only future for us in the Reebok was for either a wealthy backer to take over who doesn't mind losing money or us getting back into the premier league - the only other options are running at a loss and going bust

 

We seriously need to start thinking of a life after the Reebok - the whole project was just too ambitious for a club that can drop to 2nd and 3rd tier of English football

Edited March 6, 2016 by birch-chorley

[Spider]

Woah, woah, woah!

 

Are you now seeing the light?

 

Are you now seeing the offshore mess?

 

Will you now see that ED was part of it & culpable for it? Or PG or the rest of the incompent leeches lining their pockets?

You're one of the cleverererer blokes on here Bowton, so I thought you of all people would be able to pick up on what I've been saying.

 

They are all partially to blame. Paying champions league wages is one of many errors the club made but at that time (and back then, it was where they were at, not where they had been) - AT THAT TIME - it seemed the right thing to do the push the club onwards.

 

Now, of course, all the shit is coming home to roost.

 

If you'd told most supporters back then about the wages they'd probably have said spending money is just the culture of the premier league/speculate to accumulate etc etc.

 

And when ED told Sam "We can't keep spending like this", he fucked off and the rest is , well, we know the rest.

[Mounts Kipper]

He's not wrong.

 

The figures might be. The rest isn't

 

It's the figures I'm talking about wasn't Anelka way and above our top paid player on 60k a week?

[Spider]

It's the figures I'm talking about wasn't Anelka way and above our top paid player on 60k a week?

 

Them's basic wages, Mounts.

[Mounts Kipper]

Them's basic wages, Mounts.

I'm still not having it that period from 2002-2006 we paid anyone 80k per week even including bonuses.

[Spider]

I'm still not having it that period from 2002-2006 we paid anyone 80k per week even including bonuses.

 

Why not? It would help your assertion that the club was being run like a joke?

[Rembrandt]

Thing is mounts, 2 of your 3 things we should have done differently include spending even more money that we don't have

The other one of the three talks of being more conservative with a budget which is bang on for me

Big mistakes were made in getting us to this point, were overspending massively on and off the field and this should have been reeled in 2/3 years a go

My concern is that it's impossible to run us on our shite gate receipts alone. £10m non playing costs including 300 non playing staff is daunting on its own before you even think about a decent playing squad

Even if they made 200 of them redundant and worked miracles to bring non playing costs down by 66% to £3.33m it would still leave us with £0 for players

Perhaps ED knew the only future for us in the Reebok was for either a wealthy backer to take over who doesn't mind losing money or us getting back into the premier league - the only other options are running at a loss and going bust

We seriously need to start thinking of a life after the Reebok - the whole project was just too ambitious for a club that can drop to 2nd and 3rd tier of English football

But the whole project was to generate non-football income for when times are bad.

[Sweep]

We seriously need to start thinking of a life after the Reebok - the whole project was just too ambitious for a club that can drop to 2nd and 3rd tier of English football

I said a few weeks ago I am worried about our ground when we drop a division. Hopefully the first thing we'll do is close the top tiers, as we won't be needing them. The upkeep of such a big ground on crowds of c10K a week is a real worry.

[gonzo]

You're one of the cleverererer blokes on here Bowton, so I thought you of all people would be able to pick up on what I've been saying.

 

They are all partially to blame. Paying champions league wages is one of many errors the club made but at that time (and back then, it was where they were at, not where they had been) - AT THAT TIME - it seemed the right thing to do the push the club onwards.

 

Now, of course, all the shit is coming home to roost.

 

If you'd told most supporters back then about the wages they'd probably have said spending money is just the culture of the premier league/speculate to accumulate etc etc.

 

And when ED told Sam "We can't keep spending like this", he fucked off and the rest is , well, we know the rest.

What we've paid in the past has nothing to do with where we are now.

 

It has nothing to do with Owen Coyle either. He didnt sign any cheques or offer player contracts.

 

We owe the tax man a fortune and run at a million per month loss due to contract and outgoings right here right now. Contracts given out last summer.

 

If the shit was about to hit the fan,maybe we should have paid the tax bill instead of giving Pratley and Amos new contracts?

 

Anyways, It's not up to posters on a football forum to decipher what the plan should've been post relegation. It's up to the business men that run the club to decide that.

 

Not every club that is relegated ends up facing insolvency.

 

Of course There has been a lot of contributing factors to this demise. The same factors every single club in the land that is relegated from any division faces.

 

ED is 100% culpable for the state of the club today. It's his business. He's the boss the buck stops at him.

 

Regardless of what Jay Jay fucking Okocha was on in 2004, at this moment in time we are championship club paying top wages to crap players whilst running at £1 million loss and facing insolvency.

 

Fuck me its like saying I can't blame the mrs for using the last of the milk because our wedding day was a belter.

 

Let's all have a massive wank over Bayern Munich away at Bury next season.

[LeggyMountbatten]

I said a few weeks ago I am worried about our ground when we drop a division. Hopefully the first thing we'll do is close the top tiers, as we won't be needing them. The upkeep of such a big ground on crowds of c10K a week is a real worry.

The ground is just about the only thing of value left. Sell it, knock it down for retail space and build a smaller ground in Bolton town centre. You would be able to pick up some land near the plywood mile for next to fuck all.

[Gumbo]

"Hello boss, can I have a Bentley 4x4 as my company car?"

 

"No we cant afford a Bentley 4x4 and I can't authorise payment of that, you can have a BMW GT"

 

"Ok thanks, I'll end up crashing either to be honest but just wanted the best I can get"

 

This scenario regarding players did not happen when Coyle was in charge! Payment was authorised.

[tomski]

What we've paid in the past has nothing to do with where we are now.

 

It has nothing to do with Owen Coyle either. He didnt sign any cheques or offer player contracts.

 

We owe the tax man a fortune and run at a million per month loss due to contract and outgoings right here right now. Contracts given out last summer.

 

If the shit was about to hit the fan,maybe we should have paid the tax bill instead of giving Pratley and Amos new contracts?

 

Anyways, It's not up to posters on a football forum to decipher what the plan should've been post relegation. It's up to the business men that run the club to decide that.

 

Not every club that is relegated ends up facing insolvency.

 

Of course There has been a lot of contributing factors to this demise. The same factors every single club in the land that is relegated from any division faces.

 

ED is 100% culpable for the state of the club today. It's his business. He's the boss the buck stops at him.

 

Regardless of what Jay Jay fucking Okocha was on in 2004, at this moment in time we are championship club paying top wages to crap players whilst running at £1 million loss and facing insolvency.

 

Fuck me its like saying I can't blame the mrs for using the last of the milk because our wedding day was a belter.

 

Let's all have a massive wank over Bayern Munich away at Bury next season.

Clearly not one of the clever blokes on this forum:)

[birch-chorley]

But the whole project was to generate non-football income for when times are bad.

Renting out the offices made money, which is why they got snapped up

 

Don't think the hotel has ever pulled up any trees in terms of profit

 

I just can't see us ever balancing the books at the Reebok without either a wealthy benefactor or prem TV money

Edited March 6, 2016 by birch-chorley

[Rembrandt]

Clearly not one of the clever blokes on this forum:)

Seems to be talking a lot of sense, tbh.

[tomski]

Seems to be talking a lot of sense, tbh.

Spot on. I couldn't agree more.