Did I hear the Irish shirts had a commemoration to 1916 on a recent one

Correct, when they played Switzerland. One man's terrorist and all that.

Says the bloke with an England shield as an avatar :-)

 

And?

Did I hear the Irish shirts had a commemoration to 1916 on a recent one

Very well said sir, take a prize from the top shelf.

And?

And you've ignored the rest of the post and just homed in on the bit you want to get uppity about.

 

I stand by what I said though - I've bought a poppy every year since I was old enough to know what it represents. But I think there's a danger that it will start to lose its meaning if folk feel forced to wear one.

 

A lot of the problem is with Facebook and stuff like that. Maybe you don't use it? You see a lot of posts like 'If my poppy offends you then get the fuck out of the country' - that sort of bollocks. Usually by the same sort of people who like posting pictures of Lee Rigby.

 

I'll buy a poppy this year - I'll wear it on rememberence Sunday. If anybody chooses not to - then that's their prerogative.

 

I hope England and Scotland get to wear one on their shirts or armbands or the supporters fill the stadium with them.

Looking like it's armbands innit.

Did I hear the Irish shirts had a commemoration to 1916 on a recent one

If that's right then it's a complete farce

 

They were on about all this on the radio tonight, I couldn't help but think if this was Serbia or someone then our press would be jumping all over it

 

We apparently made the rule up according to 5 live

 

Anyroad if the Irish did it recently then FIFA have no defence, everyone can crack on and do what they want

If that's right then it's a complete farce

 

They were on about all this on the radio tonight, I couldn't help but think if this was Serbia or someone then our press would be jumping all over it

 

We apparently made the rule up according to 5 live

 

Anyroad if the Irish did it recently then FIFA have no defence, everyone can crack on and do what they want

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37853386

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37853386

Casino starts the November Uprising.

 

Well done sir, it's one rule for us and one rule for them.

 

And all because we voted OUT.....,I'll take my fishing rod away now....

The Wembley groundsman should mow a big fuck off poppy in the centre circle.

FIFA have not banned it, its the media pointing to an old rule, and are stirring up hate.

 

Spot on. It's a fabricated story designed to make British people feel aggrieved about non-British people. Only thicko's who don't read beyond the headlines are angry about it.

The corrupt 'leaders' of world football telling us what we can and can't do?

 

They can fuck off for my money and if it's true the Irish were allowed to commemorate their Easter mistake on their shirts then the double standards applied are laughable.

The corrupt 'leaders' of world football telling us what we can and can't do?

 

They can fuck off for my money and if it's true the Irish were allowed to commemorate their Easter mistake on their shirts then the double standards applied are laughable.

Let's see what the out come is

 

As far as FIFA telling a national football team what they can and can't do, I think that's the job of a governening body, we would be the first to have a good moan if another association was up to no good and we wanted something doing about it (not that we are up to no good wanting to remember ex servicemen)

 

As has been stated above, I'm sure they will give us the dispensation they have the Irish. Likewise if they had of stopped them wearing that symbol then they would be right to stop us also. What the Irish did and we want to do is the same

Jesus wept!

England have played before around armistice day and not worn poppies and there has been no issues. It's this collective mania about it that does disservice to what the actual act of remembrance is, and it's got fuck all, or should have nothing, to do with 'national pride'

England have played before around armistice day and not worn poppies and there has been no issues. It's this collective mania about it that does disservice to what the actual act of remembrance is, and it's got fuck all, or should have nothing, to do with 'national pride'

 

 

What a load of bollocks. It wasn't only Englishmen or Scots who died in those fields. Hopefully, we are remembering all who did - from both sides of the trenches.

 

Political symbol my fucking arsehole - a simple and effective sign of respect for ALL who died in that madness - German, Irish, Australian - you name it.

 

Just another meddle by politically correct obsessives who want fucking off, sharpish (as do the fucking obnoxious Green Brigade who also try to turn the poppy into a political symbol. Cunts to a man).

And you've ignored the rest of the post and just homed in on the bit you want to get uppity about.

 

I stand by what I said though - I've bought a poppy every year since I was old enough to know what it represents. But I think there's a danger that it will start to lose its meaning if folk feel forced to wear one.

 

A lot of the problem is with Facebook and stuff like that. Maybe you don't use it? You see a lot of posts like 'If my poppy offends you then get the fuck out of the country' - that sort of bollocks. Usually by the same sort of people who like posting pictures of Lee Rigby.

 

I'll buy a poppy this year - I'll wear it on rememberence Sunday. If anybody chooses not to - then that's their prerogative.

 

I hope England and Scotland get to wear one on their shirts or armbands or the supporters fill the stadium with them.

 

I have bought poppies for over 50 years mostly off old vets or old ladies selling them in town centres. I simply cannot see how this is nationalistic?

 

However, both you and Crawley seem to have the socialist student union mentality that sees offence or fascism in any British tradition.

I have bought poppies for over 50 years mostly off old vets or old ladies selling them in town centres. I simply cannot see how this is nationalistic?

 

However, both you and Crawley seem to have the socialist student union mentality that sees offence or fascism in any British tradition.

Have you been in a student union recently? It's more to do with whether you want pulled pork with your burger and curly fries and where you can get cheap broadband and a deal on Spotify than how we can unite the smash the system. I think you're getting reality mixed up with watching reruns of The Young Ones.

 

Have a re-read of my post, try to engage your brain.

 

The poppy in and of itself isn't nationalistic - if anything it's true meaning is quite the opposite (as far as I interpret it anyway). However in RECENT years (ie not the 50 you're pertaining to) I think the poppy has begun to represent nationalism in a way that I've never noticed before. I think it would be a massive shame if the poppy goes the same way as the flag of St George.

 

Just my personal opinion.

As I understand it - wearing a poppy is symbolic in remembering those who have died in wars?!  (staring with the 1st WW)  That's always been my reason for wearing one.  So for me, that means remembering civilian deaths, my Granddad's, even great Granddad's fallen comrades, even ze German casualties, and all those who die in war to this day.

 

I don't see how that is political or a sign of nationalism.  Is that being naive? 

 

Ireland remembering 1916 specifically however . . . 

 

Can't say I care too much either way but it does seem the purpose/meaning of wearing a poppy may need clarifying with FIFA and possibly the UK public?  Maybe I've got this wrong though?

Edited November 3, 20169 yr by madthatter

Does anyone know if anyone is selling Wanderers ones?

Have you been in a student union recently? It's more to do with whether you want pulled pork with your burger and curly fries and where you can get cheap broadband and a deal on Spotify than how we can unite the smash the system. I think you're getting reality mixed up with watching reruns of The Young Ones.

Have a re-read of my post, try to engage your brain.

The poppy in and of itself isn't nationalistic - if anything it's true meaning is quite the opposite (as far as I interpret it anyway). However in RECENT years (ie not the 50 you're pertaining to) I think the poppy has begun to represent nationalism in a way that I've never noticed before. I think it would be a massive shame if the poppy goes the same way as the flag of St George.

Just my personal opinion.

You may well be right in that some folk are using it wrongly; current times and media now bring military action right onto our TVs.

All the more reason why people should be allowed to wear one to show its real purpose.

Have you been in a student union recently? It's more to do with whether you want pulled pork with your burger and curly fries and where you can get cheap broadband and a deal on Spotify than how we can unite the smash the system. I think you're getting reality mixed up with watching reruns of The Young Ones.

 

Have a re-read of my post, try to engage your brain.

 

The poppy in and of itself isn't nationalistic - if anything it's true meaning is quite the opposite (as far as I interpret it anyway). However in RECENT years (ie not the 50 you're pertaining to) I think the poppy has begun to represent nationalism in a way that I've never noticed before. I think it would be a massive shame if the poppy goes the same way as the flag of St George.

 

Just my personal opinion.

 

Can you give some examples?

 

All I ever see is a number of ordinary every day people buying them and wearing them around this time of year. The money goes to look after many veterans old and new.

 

In addition some of those same folk turn up at services on remembrance Sunday or on or around the 11th November.

Well a few examples are how whenever you switch on your telly - EVERYBODY - is wearing a poppy. Not because they perhaps want to or chose to - but because a producer has stuck one on them. Nowadays if somebody appears on TV without one, they'll have to justify why they aren't wearing it.

 

Another example is the one I've already given about social media. I've got friends from a lot of backgrounds. Some of them are racists and quite a few more I'd describe as nationalists. They will start putting 'poppy related posts' up in early November - but the imagery and the wording is often borderline racist - or used to make a point about immigrants or Muslims or both. That's missing the point to me - and if you start to associate the image of the poppy with those kinds of ideas then it's original meaning gets lost and part of me starts to get resentful towards it which is horrible.

The FA responded emphatically, saying: "The poppy is an important symbol of remembrance and we do not believe it represents a political, religious or commercial message, nor does it relate to any one historical event."

 

from today's Mirror.  And also:

 

Prime Minister Theresa May  "Our football players want to recognise and respect those who have given their lives for our safety and security. It is absolutely right they should be able to do so."

 

Here's the rub for me:  If our PM is implying that the poppy is remembering British/allied servicemen only then, sadly, I would agree with FIFA as it becomes a national/political symbol.  I think she's wrong, mind, and being a twat/politician.

 

The FA have it bang on.  But you can see where the confusion comes from . . .

Edited November 3, 20169 yr by madthatter

Last night my mrs was told to wear a poppy at a work event, the whole company was. Why? She was already wearing one as it happens, but again, that is her choice. This didn't happen up until a few years ago.

 

I've always worn a poppy, used to go to the Farnworth memorial on remembrance sunday with my Grandpa who was a Japanese POW. I wear to remember the suffering of anyone who has been killed or injured in wars and for those still serving who risk their lives, I've taken my children to remembrance sunday services. But again, it's very simple, it's my choice. If someone doesn't want to wear one fine.

 

Bolty - use that thing between your ears. I was making a point that until recently no one gave a fig if England didn't wear poppies if they played around remembrance Sunday. As recently as 2001. So what's changed?

 

My fear is that the poppy is starting to be adopted as a symbol of national identity, and if you don't wear one you are in some way not patriotic or a not following a 'British Tradition'. Which is utter garbage.

 

If an England player wants to wear a poppy, why is it so important it's on their football shirt - regardless of weather they have a choice? BGOEFC - I'm not against the poppy, as you can see, I'm against people not having a choice if they wear one or not.

I bought my pin badge from a couple of old ladies in Marks and sparks as I do every year.

Itll be pinned to the front pocket of my backpack with the others and a few other pins.

If anyone told me I had to wear one I'd be going out of my way not to.

Well a few examples are how whenever you switch on your telly - EVERYBODY - is wearing a poppy. Not because they perhaps want to or chose to - but because a producer has stuck one on them. Nowadays if somebody appears on TV without one, they'll have to justify why they aren't wearing it.

 

Another example is the one I've already given about social media. I've got friends from a lot of backgrounds. Some of them are racists and quite a few more I'd describe as nationalists. They will start putting 'poppy related posts' up in early November - but the imagery and the wording is often borderline racist - or used to make a point about immigrants or Muslims or both. That's missing the point to me - and if you start to associate the image of the poppy with those kinds of ideas then it's original meaning gets lost and part of me starts to get resentful towards it which is horrible.

 

It maybe my memory but news and other presenters used to wear them in the 60's as 70's. A few cranks Facebook is no measure of something being hijacked.

 

The problem as I see it is people of the liberal left creating a problem where previously there was none. Take my avatar for example. You seem from  your offhand jibe on the last page to see it as provocative. To me  we should be proud of our flag. FFS every other country is proud of theirs.Yet many on the left over the past 30 years have denigrated it and deliberately viewed it racist. Remember Thornberry's tweet? 

 

Sorry, but to me people of a leftist persuasion seem to hate people taking pride in ones country. They also dislike traditions and seek label them with the R word at the drop of a hat.

Edited November 3, 20169 yr by bgoefc