Conspiracy Theorists

[MancWanderer]

I have 2 signed photos from Elvis from my 40th birthday trip to Vegas. The conspiracy theory is bang on. He was a genius. One day he's "old" Elvis banging out the tunes in a cheap casino off the strip, the next day he turned up at the Legends show putting all the imitating acts to shame. He only charged me $10 for a signed photo and a copy of his CD. Great bloke 

[madthatter]

Hard work when it's handcuffed to a radiator

 

Thought my gag was more obvious than that  pardon the pun

[madthatter]

Yeah I take your point - but perhaps that's part of the problem. There is so much bollocks our there that when something comes along which is genuinely worth looking into - people tend to turn a blind eye. Although I'd say those occasions are very rare.

 

Conspiracy theory is an industry now. Every time there's a major event people go anomaly hunting. They find one or two aspects which look add and them somehow hold that up as evidence that it's organised. Take an event like 9/11. There were such a huge amount of variables that day that if you search for long enough - you're always going to find things which 'look weird'. That's not evidence though. Like I said - I was into all the 9/11 - one world government - Bilderberg ideas for a long time. What I eventually realised was that when you hear somebody making the accusations talk to somebody who has experience and background in the subject, they invariably end up looking stupid. The experts can give a coherent answer, which makes logical sense and is backed up by evidence, where as your average conspiracy theorist will just point at things in isolation and say how weird it is.

 

There's nothing about 9/11 that can't be explained rationally.

 

I'd agree in the main; especially about it being a business.  There's a you  tube channel (Secure Team - speaks with a lisp) that puts out a new vid every other day, usually just pictures from Google Earth he babbles on about being something or other.  No proof, wont debate but gets shit loads of views- bet he makes a tidy little earner from it n all!  

 

Although conspiracy types would argue that it is a conspiracy to put out disinformation to discredit real claims ha ha

 

To be fair,  I could actually go along with that train of thought for ETs though.  I would wager a lot of UFO sightings are/were either black ops or new tech that was spotted or crashed.  Makes a great cover story in a bizarre way . . .

 

I think more often that not things are as they seem but my scepticism is encouraged when questions are not answered or overly ridiculed by mainstream media or authorities - remember who was blamed for Hillsborough!  The press, government and police all colluded on that one which goes to show it does happen. 

 

I don't want to get into a 9/11 debate (well not this late ) but, na, for me there are a few things I feel are out of place.   Ask some of the architects, engineers and bomb type folk who want another investigation what their professional opinions on it are.  I'm sure you've seen them mind, and many have differing views, but it's the refusal by the authorities to even discuss the topic that to me is most telling.

 

To quote the Big Lebowski 

 

The Dude: It’s like what Lenin said…you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh…

Donny: I am the walrus.

Edited November 21, 2016 by madthatter

[kent_white]

Well the commission might get reopened if Trump gets his way. If he wasn't just spouting off of course. He's on record as saying he wanted further questions answered if he got into the White House.

[Zico]

I think more often that not things are as they seem but my scepticism is encouraged when questions are not answered or overly ridiculed by mainstream media or authorities - remember who was blamed for Hillsborough! The press, government and police all colluded on that one which goes to show it does happen.

Hillsborough isn't quite the same though, that was a cover up for someone's mistakes and the blame was placed elsewhere, the press went along with it as it made a good story

 

Most conspiracy theories are where a government or powerful body collude to make something happen, not to cover up an accident

 

Unless you think it wasn't an accident ;-)

[madthatter]

Well the commission might get reopened if Trump gets his way. If he wasn't just spouting off of course. He's on record as saying he wanted further questions answered if he got into the White House.

 

Aye saw that on here the other day (wwys is basically my news, current affairs and sports info. all rolled into one slightly seedy package )

 

It would be interesting to say the least!

[kent_white]

I know there's about 2000 engineers and architects on record as saying that they don't think the planes brought down the towers. Fine - but the first thing they've got to do is come up with hypothesis which they all agree on which explains the collapse of the towers better that the 'a couple of planes flew into them' model. Then they've got to find incontrovertible evidence that their hypothesis is true. As of yet - they haven't.

 

Same as the scientists who think climate change is a myth. They are out there. If they're right then they need to provide the evidence which is so convincing that the rest of the community are forced to change their minds.

[kent_white]

These lot!

 

http://www.ae911truth.org

[madthatter]

Hillsborough isn't quite the same though, that was a cover up for someone's mistakes and the blame was placed elsewhere, the press went along with it as it made a good story

 

Most conspiracy theories are where a government or powerful body collude to make something happen, not to cover up an accident

 

Unless you think it wasn't an accident ;-)

 

True, but its why I mentioned before about how you define what a conspiracy is.  To me agencies conspired to hide the truth so i'd say that makes it a conspiracy, 

Sometimes it's to cover up, sometimes to detract attention, sway public opinion - you could collude on pretty much anything.  

 

For me the defining factor is have people in power worked together to hide something from the public to serve their own interests? If yes, then it's a conspiracy.

 

re. the last bit - if I put my tin foil hat on for a moment I think there's a wacko theory there about how it led to all seater stadiums and the birth of the Premier League - cui bono  

Edited November 21, 2016 by madthatter

[kent_white]

True, but its why I mentioned before about how you define what a conspiracy is. To me agencies conspired to hide the truth so i'd say that makes it a conspiracy,

Sometimes it's to cover up, sometimes to detract attention, sway public opinion - you could collude on pretty much anything.

 

For me the defining factor is have people in power worked together to hide something from the public to serve their own interests? If yes, then it's a conspiracy.

Have a watch of Adam Curtis Hypernormalisation on BBC Iplayer if you haven't already. I reckon it would be right up your street. And your brothers maybe?

[madthatter]

I know there's about 2000 engineers and architects on record as saying that they don't think the planes brought down the towers. Fine - but the first thing they've got to do is come up with hypothesis which they all agree on which explains the collapse of the towers better that the 'a couple of planes flew into them' model. Then they've got to find incontrovertible evidence that their hypothesis is true. As of yet - they haven't.

 

Same as the scientists who think climate change is a myth. They are out there. If they're right then they need to provide the evidence which is so convincing that the rest of the community are forced to change their minds.

 

Agree totally - but iirc part of the problem is/was that much of the potential evidence was removed very quickly after the attack.  As was the 'official' report which didn't allow for such additional info. to be presented.  Which does seem very convenient at the least.  

 

Some of the research I've seen done on thermite and it's ability to literally 'cut' through steel and make it run like lava is very interesting - I saw Myth Busters do a skit where they debunked the idea, but it was laughably poor.  And I like their show!

 

How do you explain the terrorists passport finding its way to the ground unsinged?  Made miss piss my sides at the time of watching the events unfold that

[madthatter]

Have a watch of Adam Curtis Hypernormalisation on BBC Iplayer if you haven't already. I reckon it would be right up your street. And your brothers maybe?

 

I'll look out for it this week, cheers  

[Marc505]

I'll look out for it this week, cheers

Watched a few of his things now, they're good but go off on tangents more than a Billy Connolly gig!

 

They're good vehicles for the music of Burial though, unusual stuff.

 

There's an Adam Curtis Bingo sheet somewhere on twitter, watch any of his docs and you'll pretty much complete it

[kent_white]

They're good vehicles for the music of Burial though, unusual stuff.

This one's got Blue Calx by Aphex Twin so happy days! :-)

[kent_white]

I think there were 4 passports found in various states of destruction from all of the sites on 9/11. Only one was found in New York as far as I'm aware.

 

But this is where the the leaps in logic take place. It is amazing (and maybe counter intuitive) to think that a passport could have survived that incident. So the question (if there is one) is how did a passport make it to the streets of NYC? One answer off the top of my head would be that the plane broke up on impact and scattered a lot of the content to the ground (the passport in NYC was found and handed in prior to the collapses taking place btw).

 

This is exactly what I'm talking about anomaly hunting though. It's definitely weird that this passport ended up where it did. But weird things happen all the time. What you can't do is what the conspiracy theorists try to do which is say - there was a passport on the street - therefore that's evidence it was an I side job. It just doesn't make any sense.

 

If I was organising it - the last thing I'd do would be to plant a passport, precisely because people wouldn't find it plausible. To me the fact that it was found adds to the credibility that the official version of events is true - not the other way around.

[bolty58]

Louis Theroux has me looking deeper into Scientology at the moment. Fucking hell - they make some of you loons who will believe almost anything positively sane!

 

I knew about the Thetan mullarkey and all that but fucking Xenu !? How brainwashed (or completely insane) would you have to be?

 

If you don't know what I am on about, Google Xenu.

 

When I see Tom Cruise in movies in uniform now, can't help but think of Sea Org. What a bunch of dangerous nutjobs.

[kent_white]

Louis Theroux has me looking deeper into Scientology at the moment. Fucking hell - they make some of you loons who will believe almost anything positively sane!

 

I knew about the Thetan mullarkey and all that but fucking Xenu !? How brainwashed (or completely insane) would you have to be?

 

If you don't know what I am on about, Google Xenu.

 

When I see Tom Cruise in movies in uniform now, can't help but think of Sea Org. What a bunch of dangerous nutjobs.

Have you watched Going Clear? It's a brilliant film.

[madthatter]

love this mon . . . the geordie PI has a conspiracy theory for everything!

 

[kent_white]

love this mon . . . the geordie PI has a conspiracy theory for everything!

 

Richie Allen?

[enzo gambaro]

The same reason that Horwich mental woman had all her teeth extracted, GHB.

www.ghbdental.co.uk

[enzo gambaro]

David Kelly has a whiff about it too

Give over.

 

It was just a wee push.

[Ani]

Give over.

 

It was just a wee push.

 

I do not think i have ever 'liked' a post before, good work.

 

People do know that they ask people to assume the safety position when a plane is crashing to make sure you die apparently.

Edited November 22, 2016 by Ani

[Cheese]

I do not think i have ever 'liked' a post before, good work.

 

People do know that they ask people to assume the safety position when a plane is crashing to make sure you die apparently.

 

There's a commonly held belief that they ask you to assume the brace position in order to preserve your teeth so they'll be able to identify your remains from dental records. It's a myth of course - the brace position is simply the safest position to be in should you come to a sudden stop. It has undoubtedly saved many lives.

[kent_white]

There's a commonly held belief that they ask you to assume the brace position in order to preserve your teeth so they'll be able to identify your remains from dental records. It's a myth of course - the brace position is simply the safest position to be in should you come to a sudden stop. It has undoubtedly saved many lives.

ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED!!!!!

 

☺️

[madthatter]

Richie Allen?

 

No Richard D hall - blimey, it must be a geordie thing!