Transfer Gossip

[radcliffe white]

16 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

There’s no short cut to defending, repeat, repeat and repeat again, Allardyce is the master of grooming defenders as was George Graham relentless repetition is needed, given Hills record at the end of his Rochdale career and his time with us I suspect he didn’t concentrate enough on defence. 

Correct 

even at my lads u12 level stuff like being turned and not letting the attacker come across you is practiced regularly, don’t get me wrong as you go up the leagues some strikers are unmanageable to mark but not at ours 

Edited June 20, 2020 by radcliffe white

[Tonge moor green jacket]

17 minutes ago, DazBob said:

You do know him personally though don't you?

I reckon so.

No problem in defending his mate, but sometimes being close to someone prevents you from seeing the bigger picture.

The assertion that no manager would have been capable of keeping us up is ridiculous.

[Steejay]

54 minutes ago, Moon boy said:

Feel like I’m pushing a piece of string.

Ok, you’re all correct, after all that has happened this season no manager could have saved us from relegation.

Realistically we were down before KH came, in a few days he brought in a load of outcasts/unwanted/unknown players who weren’t match fit and most of us had never heard off.

At Rotherham you could see the promise in some of the players and we started well, you could feel the optimism in the crowd but as the game went on the big problem that would surface in every game and eventually kill us was evident, fitness and organisation, things that within the time scale we had could not be rectified this season.

Leading up to the Accy game things were settling down, we were looking ok, we’d won three in a row and we were getting a bit giddy, KH was under a lot of pressure to win this game, I didn’t go but the sending off and the collapse obviously was a massive slap for fans and management.

Tempers boiled over and things were said and your right that left KH out on a limb but FV are not blameless in this situation. If the owners had been more experienced they would have circled the wagons and tried to keep the problems in house and steady the ship

When FV involved Kenyon they  undermined Hill and Flitcrofts power and they obviously knew they had no future here.

Kenyon had convinced FV to move in a different direction and KH was thrown under the bus, since lockdown we’ve heard nothing, no leadership, just little digs in the Bolton News from the poisoned dwarf, Iles, who’s influence is greater than it should be.

You can slag KH off for his rants, his dress sense or anything else but if he was on the current list of managers and coming in for the first time at this level he would be a favourite for the job.

He’s not my dad or my son but I don’t agree with the disrespect and shit on here about someone who did his best under the circumstances, at another time he could have been a very good appointment

 

 

You really talk bollocks.

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, Biggish Dave said:

Quite a lot of us on here, myself included, were very happy when we appointed Hill but he brought the majority of the problems on himself.

We all wanted him to succeed, we all knew he faced the impossible task. Most would have even given him a free hit had we seen some signs of making a fist of it.

If you exclude the point deduction, exclude the first 6 games and even exclude Hills first 6 games as the players were getting up to match fitness, the remainder was still a shit show. It simply didn’t work as anyone wanted. 

This, all fans were onside and would of  still supported him if he hadn’t had that meltdown, the comments after the Rochdale game were unforgivable, his time at the club from then on was untenable, his obtuse personality raised its head again and again over that period and you can’t afford to behave like that and expect to survive at a club like BWFC. 

Edited June 20, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[Take Hunt Off]

KH literally talked his way out of the job.

Although Moonboy is right about the games leading up to the Accy debacle Hill's subsequent aftermatch comments didnt help.

It went downhill after that the 4-3 home defeat by Burton being a low point & then half the loanees sent back to their clubs in the new year .Genuine question was that Hill's choice or FV? 

The proposed 'new model' management may not work .Big gamble to go from Colin Wanker to a.n other coach & this Tobias bloke sat upstairs selecting players for our squad.

Things might get worse before they get better.

[tomski]

1 hour ago, Moon boy said:

Feel like I’m pushing a piece of string.

Ok, you’re all correct, after all that has happened this season no manager could have saved us from relegation.

Realistically we were down before KH came, in a few days he brought in a load of outcasts/unwanted/unknown players who weren’t match fit and most of us had never heard off.

At Rotherham you could see the promise in some of the players and we started well, you could feel the optimism in the crowd but as the game went on the big problem that would surface in every game and eventually kill us was evident, fitness and organisation, things that within the time scale we had could not be rectified this season.

Leading up to the Accy game things were settling down, we were looking ok, we’d won three in a row and we were getting a bit giddy, KH was under a lot of pressure to win this game, I didn’t go but the sending off and the collapse obviously was a massive slap for fans and management.

Tempers boiled over and things were said and your right that left KH out on a limb but FV are not blameless in this situation. If the owners had been more experienced they would have circled the wagons and tried to keep the problems in house and steady the ship

When FV involved Kenyon they  undermined Hill and Flitcrofts power and they obviously knew they had no future here.

Kenyon had convinced FV to move in a different direction and KH was thrown under the bus, since lockdown we’ve heard nothing, no leadership, just little digs in the Bolton News from the poisoned dwarf, Iles, who’s influence is greater than it should be.

You can slag KH off for his rants, his dress sense or anything else but if he was on the current list of managers and coming in for the first time at this level he would be a favourite for the job.

He’s not my dad or my son but I don’t agree with the disrespect and shit on here about someone who did his best under the circumstances, at another time he could have been a very good appointment

 

 

I actually think you make some decent points in that. 
 

The crux of it though is the damage has been done and I don’t think there was a way KH could of stayed.

Seems like KH/DF wanted to run the club top to bottom and FV wanted them to concentrate on the day job. I suppose time will tell who was right.

[Mounts Kipper]

26 minutes ago, Take Hunt Off said:

KH literally talked his way out of the job.

Although Moonboy is right about the games leading up to the Accy debacle Hill's subsequent aftermatch comments didnt help.

It went downhill after that the 4-3 home defeat by Burton being a low point & then half the loanees sent back to their clubs in the new year .Genuine question was that Hill's choice or FV? 

The proposed 'new model' management may not work .Big gamble to go from Colin Wanker to a.n other coach & this Tobias bloke sat upstairs selecting players for our squad.

Things might get worse before they get better.

If it gets worse we won’t have a club. 

[Norpig]

How many clubs in leagues 1 and 2 have a Director of Football and have they been successful? Seems to me to be more of top flight thing than clubs in the lower leagues.

[Big E]

2 hours ago, Moon boy said:

Feel like I’m pushing a piece of string.

Ok, you’re all correct, after all that has happened this season no manager could have saved us from relegation.

Realistically we were down before KH came, in a few days he brought in a load of outcasts/unwanted/unknown players who weren’t match fit and most of us had never heard off.

At Rotherham you could see the promise in some of the players and we started well, you could feel the optimism in the crowd but as the game went on the big problem that would surface in every game and eventually kill us was evident, fitness and organisation, things that within the time scale we had could not be rectified this season.

Leading up to the Accy game things were settling down, we were looking ok, we’d won three in a row and we were getting a bit giddy, KH was under a lot of pressure to win this game, I didn’t go but the sending off and the collapse obviously was a massive slap for fans and management.

Tempers boiled over and things were said and your right that left KH out on a limb but FV are not blameless in this situation. If the owners had been more experienced they would have circled the wagons and tried to keep the problems in house and steady the ship

When FV involved Kenyon they  undermined Hill and Flitcrofts power and they obviously knew they had no future here.

Kenyon had convinced FV to move in a different direction and KH was thrown under the bus, since lockdown we’ve heard nothing, no leadership, just little digs in the Bolton News from the poisoned dwarf, Iles, who’s influence is greater than it should be.

You can slag KH off for his rants, his dress sense or anything else but if he was on the current list of managers and coming in for the first time at this level he would be a favourite for the job.

He’s not my dad or my son but I don’t agree with the disrespect and shit on here about someone who did his best under the circumstances, at another time he could have been a very good appointment

 

 

KH was given the job of his lifetime and he just isn’t up to it. He’s tactically questionable and his interviews have pushed fans away. 

not one person was against his appointment and people travelled in numbers to back him. The lad talked his way out of the job. 

it amazes me how so many think he is some kind of footballing master who dominates leagues etc. If he was any good his biggest job wouldn’t have been at a team on the brink of extinction.

good luck to him but I am glad he’s not here for the next stage on BWFC Story

[desperado]

2 hours ago, Moon boy said:

Feel like I’m pushing a piece of string.

Ok, you’re all correct, after all that has happened this season no manager could have saved us from relegation.

Realistically we were down before KH came, in a few days he brought in a load of outcasts/unwanted/unknown players who weren’t match fit and most of us had never heard off.

At Rotherham you could see the promise in some of the players and we started well, you could feel the optimism in the crowd but as the game went on the big problem that would surface in every game and eventually kill us was evident, fitness and organisation, things that within the time scale we had could not be rectified this season.

Leading up to the Accy game things were settling down, we were looking ok, we’d won three in a row and we were getting a bit giddy, KH was under a lot of pressure to win this game, I didn’t go but the sending off and the collapse obviously was a massive slap for fans and management.

Tempers boiled over and things were said and your right that left KH out on a limb but FV are not blameless in this situation. If the owners had been more experienced they would have circled the wagons and tried to keep the problems in house and steady the ship

When FV involved Kenyon they  undermined Hill and Flitcrofts power and they obviously knew they had no future here.

Kenyon had convinced FV to move in a different direction and KH was thrown under the bus, since lockdown we’ve heard nothing, no leadership, just little digs in the Bolton News from the poisoned dwarf, Iles, who’s influence is greater than it should be.

You can slag KH off for his rants, his dress sense or anything else but if he was on the current list of managers and coming in for the first time at this level he would be a favourite for the job.

He’s not my dad or my son but I don’t agree with the disrespect and shit on here about someone who did his best under the circumstances, at another time he could have been a very good appointment

 

 

 

18 minutes ago, tomski said:

I actually think you make some decent points in that. 
 

The crux of it though is the damage has been done and I don’t think there was a way KH could of stayed.

Seems like KH/DF wanted to run the club top to bottom and FV wanted them to concentrate on the day job. I suppose time will tell who was right.

I agree with Tomski, there’s some decent points there.

But the direction now is different and as fans surely now we get behind the process  FV are implementing. 

[Roger_Dubuis]

22 minutes ago, Big E said:

KH was given the job of his lifetime 

I have my doubts whether getting a job as manager of bottom of the 3rd Division in his 50s was the job of his life.

I'd sooner be playing in the second tier when i was in my late teens/ early 20s

[Big E]

4 minutes ago, Roger_Dubuis said:

I have my doubts whether getting a job as manager of bottom of the 3rd Division in his 50s was the job of his life.

I'd sooner be playing in the second tier when i was in my late teens/ early 20s

Managerial job then you pedantic cunt

[DomRepWanderer]

22 minutes ago, Big E said:

Managerial job then you pedantic red cunt

 

[Casino]

Fwiw, he may have described bwfc as his dream job, but im not sure a car crash club with no players was as good a gig as barnsley in the second division

And i agree that if he was in the mix now, many would see him as a strong candidate

Anyway, hes gone and we nay as well cross everything we have got in the hope the FV plan bears fruit

 

As for moneyball, if its so great, why arent all the clubs doing it

In fact, they probably are to a degree

I suppose its only as good as the data and those interpreting it

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

3 hours ago, Big E said:

Managerial job then you redantic cunt

 

[Moon boy]

8 hours ago, DazBob said:

You do know him personally though don't you?

What, in a romantic way?

[Moon boy]

7 hours ago, Take Hunt Off said:

KH literally talked his way out of the job.

Although Moonboy is right about the games leading up to the Accy debacle Hill's subsequent aftermatch comments didnt help.

It went downhill after that the 4-3 home defeat by Burton being a low point & then half the loanees sent back to their clubs in the new year .Genuine question was that Hill's choice or FV? 

The proposed 'new model' management may not work .Big gamble to go from Colin Wanker to a.n other coach & this Tobias bloke sat upstairs selecting players for our squad.

Things might get worse before they get better.

Nail on head

The number of football club owners who have been groomed and bled dry by ‘in the know, football people’ advising them what to do next are too numerous to mention.

FV are culpable in all this, when they came in they said they had a long term plan but in less than 12 months they’ve ditched it and gone for a ‘continental’ style set up because of the influence of Tobias and Kenyon.

We’re in Division 4 with no manager and no players and no money some fans need to wake up and think where this might end

Since BSA left we’ve never managed to get our first choice in anything players/management etc, we always have to have second best,  I suspect the same will apply now.

[Biggish Dave]

10 minutes ago, Moon boy said:

Nail on head

The number of football club owners who have been groomed and bled dry by ‘in the know, football people’ advising them what to do next are too numerous to mention.

FV are culpable in all this, when they came in they said they had a long term plan but in less than 12 months they’ve ditched it and gone for a ‘continental’ style set up because of the influence of Tobias and Kenyon.

We’re in Division 4 with no manager and no players and no money some fans need to wake up and think where this might end

Since BSA left we’ve never managed to get our first choice in anything players/management etc, we always have to have second best,  I suspect the same will apply now.

Give it a rest. Your either a WUM or a Moon Boy. Either way, no one really is upset at onionmyster  being potted

[Tonge moor green jacket]

24 minutes ago, Moon boy said:

Nail on head

The number of football club owners who have been groomed and bled dry by ‘in the know, football people’ advising them what to do next are too numerous to mention.

FV are culpable in all this, when they came in they said they had a long term plan but in less than 12 months they’ve ditched it and gone for a ‘continental’ style set up because of the influence of Tobias and Kenyon.

We’re in Division 4 with no manager and no players and no money some fans need to wake up and think where this might end

Since BSA left we’ve never managed to get our first choice in anything players/management etc, we always have to have second best,  I suspect the same will apply now.

Amazing that you know so much about FV plans- I presume you were happy when Keith got the job?

Too much bitterness coming out here.

As things stand, loads of clubs will be releasing players and have others out of contract.

Meanwhile our leanness could be a blessing.

Perhaps get behind FV?

[leadfrog1]

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Amazing that you know so much about FV plans- I presume you were happy when Keith got the job?

Too much bitterness coming out here.

As things stand, loads of clubs will be releasing players and have others out of contract.

Meanwhile our leanness could be a blessing.

Perhaps get behind FV?

It's not that people aren't behind FV and the club, it's more that by every public record, FV don't really seem to have the funds to run a football club, especally one that has ambitions above league 1 (by their own press release). 

[Moon boy]

31 minutes ago, Biggish Dave said:

Give it a rest. Your either a WUM or a Moon Boy. Either way, no one really is upset at onionmyster  being potted

Well don’t fucking read it then, you moaning cunt.

Last time I looked this is a football forum it’s made up people opinions, not just yours

[radcliffe white]

43 minutes ago, Moon boy said:

Nail on head

The number of football club owners who have been groomed and bled dry by ‘in the know, football people’ advising them what to do next are too numerous to mention.

FV are culpable in all this, when they came in they said they had a long term plan but in less than 12 months they’ve ditched it and gone for a ‘continental’ style set up because of the influence of Tobias and Kenyon.

We’re in Division 4 with no manager and no players and no money some fans need to wake up and think where this might end

Since BSA left we’ve never managed to get our first choice in anything players/management etc, we always have to have second best,  I suspect the same will apply now.

Your last part is tosh 

only probably lee (easy option) and Megson wasn’t first choice 

[Biggish Dave]

1 minute ago, Moon boy said:

Well don’t fucking read it then, you moaning cunt.

Last time I looked this is a football forum it’s made up people opinions, not just yours

Only you moaning - cunt

[Tonge moor green jacket]

7 minutes ago, leadfrog1 said:

It's not that people aren't behind FV and the club, it's more that by every public record, FV don't really seem to have the funds to run a football club, especally one that has ambitions above league 1 (by their own press release). 

Neither did ken Anderson, and we got behind him initially, despite serious reservations, because there was nothing else we could do.

They also said we'd need to live within our means when they came; and again, whilst it's nice if a silly bugger chucks millions, many on here acknowledged that doing just that, avoiding boom and bust was quite appealing.

I agree that most of us are behind FV, but moon boy doesn't appear to be. He's always critical as if he has an axe to grind 

[leadfrog1]

14 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Neither did ken Anderson, and we got behind him initially, despite serious reservations, because there was nothing else we could do.

They also said we'd need to live within our means when they came; and again, whilst it's nice if a silly bugger chucks millions, many on here acknowledged that doing just that, avoiding boom and bust was quite appealing.

I agree that most of us are behind FV, but moon boy doesn't appear to be. He's always critical as if he has an axe to grind 

This issue is that at the moment there isnt really a way to reliably "live within our means", the other clubs that have done that only did so by selling players, like preston and burnley.

At the moment football is an arms race to try and get to the Premier league, this has totally skewed the lower leagues. Making a sustainable profit or even just breaking even isnt realistic anymore and the only way to get even close to that is to risk getting relegated. 

Edited June 20, 2020 by leadfrog1
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