Sounds like something is going off

Outdated English values? Such as? What's more outdated is Islamic values like honour killings, sex with Minors, Sharia law, arranged marriages, acid attacks and killing folk from other cultures you really need to either stop your PC bullshit or give your head a serious wobble.

Why are you going to extremes?

 

I meant for your average every day English Muslim. They have their own values and cultures and religion , none of which you stated and non of which pose any threat to our society bar some folk not liking them.

 

It's all part of living in a multicultural society. My point is the general consensus is that they are foreigners and don't belong here because of their culture and religion, but they are born and bred here. They are part of us whether you like it or not.

Why are you going to extremes?

 

I meant for your average every day English Muslim. They have their own values and cultures and religion , none of which you stated and non of which pose any threat to our society bar some folk not liking them.

 

It's all part of living in a multicultural society. My point is the general consensus is that they are foreigners and don't belong here because of their culture and religion, but they are born and bred here. They are part of us whether you like it or not.

That's the problem these are not all extreme beliefs and many happen every single day. Those born here might be part of our society but they must accept some of their laws and traditions are not acceptable to the majority Christian believes. If they want to live under those type of rules and laws they've a long list of countries they can go and live in.

Edited March 25, 20179 yr by Mounts Kipper

That's the problem these are not all extreme beliefs and many happen every single day. Those born here might be part of our society but they must accept some of their laws and traditions are not acceptable to the majority Christian believes if they want to live under those type of rules and laws they've a long list of countries they can go and live in.

Which of those happens every day?

 

Granted there are still issues with these problems but nowhere near the levels you are making out.

 

All of them barring sharia law are roundly condemned by the British Muslim bodies and they are working to stamp them out.

 

And speak to any level headed Muslim and they'll be quick to point out that one of the key parts of sharia law is to follow all the laws of the place you are.

 

Christian beliefs are not how we work in this country either.

Edited March 25, 20179 yr by frank_spencer

In Bolton you may be right, Frank. I wouldn't say the same for Bristol or Manchester based on my experiences (but happy to be proven wrong) which makes me think nationwide/across the West Muslim communities could do more, or receive more coverage.

 

The latter point ends up getting a bit tin foil hat but I am inclined to believe having a perceived enemy is no accident. (which is what I was getting at with my Irish point above - those isolated atrocities/murders of innocents fulled the angst and justification for our occupation of a foreign land, essentially. I think the same game is at play here but replace land with oil.)

 

Whether they are or aren't doing good work to integrate into the majority or other cultures they really need to find a way of highlighting it for the good of the Muslim name and world perception.

Didsbury Mosque does an open day every Sunday

 

http://didsburymosque.com/ThreadDetails.aspx?id=1361&type=3

 

There's guys on market street who set up a stall and invite people to come ask questions about the Koran and all that sort of stuff, they appear to get more traction than the jehovahs witnesses outside boots

 

I do feel a lot of folk who demand the Muslims do more aren't looking or don't think they do because it's not in their face, yet if it was, that'd be an issue too for some

Which of those happens every day?

 

Granted there are still issues with these problems but nowhere near the levels you are making out.

 

All of them barring sharia law are roundly condemned by the British Muslim bodies and they are working to stamp them out.

 

And speak to any level headed Muslim and they'll be quick to point out that one of the key parts of sharia law is to follow all the laws of the place you are.

 

Christian beliefs are not how we work in this country either.

I did not voice an opinion of the level of these type of incidents only that they do happen, what you happy with 50 cases a year? I'm happy only when it's zero,

 

If that's the case Why don't we just ban sharia law and then they can use our laws?

 

I'm sick and tired of apologists like you I'm upset when I hear a young Muslim girl murdered or attacked with acid it greatly upsets me (I'm dubbed by some as racist because I want Muslims to sort their shit out which means that I want them to protect their own people) you just need to admit that it's a big problem and muslims and the Muslim council need to do more much more and take accountability in taking steps to change this medieval behaviour. You and your like making excuses for this behaviour are part of the problem it does not help this situation it just prolongs the day that this is dealt with.

Edited March 25, 20179 yr by Mounts Kipper

Bolty and Mounts,

 

What do you suggest we do ?

 

I understand you both support bombing the fuck out of 'them over there'.

 

What is your plan to identify and deal with 'them' over here.

Christian beliefs are not how we work in this country either.

Our head of state is head of the national church of which senior figures sit in the House of Lords.

 

British societal values are on based a shared Western European Christian tradition. Travel a little bit and that is as plain as can be.

 

Your lot are always rightly insisting that not all Muslims are the same but apparently all Christians are hardline evangelical Protestants who don't believe dinosaurs existed.

Just another day on polarised-ways.

 

Everyone is a scum fucker.

Our head of state is head of the national church of which senior figures sit in the House of Lords.

 

British societal values are on based a shared Western European Christian tradition. Travel a little bit and that is as plain as can be.

 

Your lot are always rightly insisting that not all Muslims are the same but apparently all Christians are hardline evangelical Protestants who don't believe dinosaurs existed.

Eh?

 

We are a secular country, our laws are based on trying to treat all as fairly as each other.

 

If folk want to be Christian, Muslim, Sikh or Jedi it's no skin off my nose. As long as they don't try and use those beliefs to rule over what other people choose to do with their lives.

Bolty and Mounts,

 

What do you suggest we do ?

 

I understand you both support bombing the fuck out of 'them over there'.

 

What is your plan to identify and deal with 'them' over here.

I'm not sure bombing the fuck out of them over there is the long term answer think the Islamic world needs to take accountability for their own behaviour maybe with some help from the west but where and how you define that help is for others to decide.

 

Over here we have to be stricter on Islamic laws they must obey our laws and if they don't then the full weight of the law must be used without political correctness being brought into the equation, hate preacher should be locked up or deported if possible, mosques regularly assesd and bad mosques closed down and Imans preaching anti west or hate preaching should be jailed , Islamic schools should be regularly assessed the whole religion needs to be strictly controlled and checked and most importantly corrective action must be seen to be strongly put in place.

 

I would set up a governent department and think tank (think we already might have one) to help try to sort the many issues out the key is trying to improvie integration and resolving the many issues we are facing with a growing Islamic population, this is a long and slow process get it right and the benefits to the UK would be great.

 

Finally I'd like to see all the PC brigade rounded up and reeducated to understand that folk who have concerns about Islam are not racist and some times you have to say things that are slightly uncomfortable, the alternative is to sweep it under the carpet until the problem then becomes larger and more dangerous. The last paragraph won't happen but I can dream.

Edited March 25, 20179 yr by Mounts Kipper

There are pages on Facebook that call for Cameron, Osbourne and other leading political figures to be hanged.

 

Should the authors of these pages be deported too?

Finally I'd like to see all the PC brigade rounded up and reeducated

Great idea - we could call it year zero.

 

Which Islamic laws do you think we should be stricter on?

Great idea - we could call it year zero.

 

Which Islamic laws do you think we should be stricter on?

We don't need any Islamic laws we have our own.

Whoooooossshhh

Whoooooossshhh

Didn't miss it chose to ignore it. As my comment was in jest.????

Edited March 25, 20179 yr by Mounts Kipper

We don't need any Islamic laws we have our own.

I'm just referring to what you said a couple of posts back....

 

'Over here we have to be stricter on Islamic laws they must obey our laws and if they don't then the full weight of the law must be used'

 

Are there any specific Islamic laws you think we should be stricter on? Say you were in charge - which Islamic law would be your number one priority to crack down on?

Kent = james obrien

I'm just referring to what you said a couple of posts back....

 

'Over here we have to be stricter on Islamic laws they must obey our laws and if they don't then the full weight of the law must be used'

 

Are there any specific Islamic laws you think we should be stricter on? Say you were in charge - which Islamic law would be your number one priority to crack down on?

 

No sharia law.

I do feel a lot of folk who demand the Muslims do more aren't looking or don't think they do because it's not in their face, yet if it was, that'd be an issue too for some

I live amongst loads of more of the well-to-do of Mohammadians, who've had the temerity to move out of the three Ds and create their own 'Beverley Daubhills' here...Anyhow, the past few days I've seen loads of them mooching about, often laughing and joking amongst themselves - no shame. How many have knocked on this Gorra's door to apologise for the atrocity? Not a one.

 

Incidentally, they're all hypocrites as well, not only do they flout our customs and conventions, they're selective about the application of their own Islamic laws too, the area abounds with spoiled boy-racer sons - surreptitiously smoking dope, drinking spirits and huffing 'nos' - how many of these delinquent apostates have they hung by the neck from a crane in Southfields car park? Zero.

 

The enemy within, the answer? Internment - until we figure out what the hell is going on.

Edited March 25, 20179 yr by Youri McAnespie

No sharia law.

That means we'd have to bin off Judge Rinder too and that show is hilarious.

No sharia law.

I'm not sure you understand the question....

Those convincing themselves there are no problems with Muslims; why do Sihks Hindus and other associated "brown" people, plus those "yellow" people seem to get along perfectly with the rest of western society and vise versa without repeated tension?

I'm not sure bombing the fuck out of them over there is the long term answer think the Islamic world needs to take accountability for their own behaviour maybe with some help from the west but where and how you define that help is for others to decide.

Over here we have to be stricter on Islamic laws they must obey our laws and if they don't then the full weight of the law must be used without political correctness being brought into the equation, hate preacher should be locked up or deported if possible, mosques regularly assesd and bad mosques closed down and Imans preaching anti west or hate preaching should be jailed , Islamic schools should be regularly assessed the whole religion needs to be strictly controlled and checked and most importantly corrective action must be seen to be strongly put in place.

I would set up a governent department and think tank (think we already might have one) to help try to sort the many issues out the key is trying to improvie integration and resolving the many issues we are facing with a growing Islamic population, this is a long and slow process get it right and the benefits to the UK would be great.

Finally I'd like to see all the PC brigade rounded up and reeducated to understand that folk who have concerns about Islam are not racist and some times you have to say things that are slightly uncomfortable, the alternative is to sweep it under the carpet until the problem then becomes larger and more dangerous. The last paragraph won't happen but I can dream.

Well done. You've just described Nazi Germany.

 

Cracking. Can't wait till millions are rounded up for 're-education'.

Suck it up buttercup, crawl back to your safe space and other hackneyed rubbish etc.

Didsbury Mosque does an open day every Sunday

 

http://didsburymosque.com/ThreadDetails.aspx?id=1361&type=3

 

There's guys on market street who set up a stall and invite people to come ask questions about the Koran and all that sort of stuff, they appear to get more traction than the jehovahs witnesses outside boots

 

I do feel a lot of folk who demand the Muslims do more aren't looking or don't think they do because it's not in their face, yet if it was, that'd be an issue too for some

 

Fair enough and good to see.  

 

re. the last bit, yeah I see where you're coming from but I'm meaning more the national press image.  They could really help promote a more positive one but it tends to be negative.

Edited March 25, 20179 yr by madthatter