Moderators Zico Posted March 24, 2017 Moderators Share Posted March 24, 2017 Not in my experience. As I said in my post, which you've left out, if you compare with other migrant communities across the world there is more noticeable agro with Muslims. Again, maybe the press help foster this view? Look at S Thailand as an example. fwiw - I've spent time in Muslim countries/communities and have encountered many 'salt of the earth' types. I'm generalising, I know, but it's not a ridiculous statement in my opinion. It's what I'd call a closed culture. I'm not sure how to go about that, but I'd love to see some stats gypsies will be top though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 I'm not sure how to go about that, but I'd love to see some stats The problem with stats is that 85% of them are made up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 It is a scary mess but not really heard a decent option put forward. Carry on as really. Here in the UK we live, generally, pretty well together bar the usual numpties. I'm proud to come from a town like Bolton that is so diverse. Had I not had Indian/Pakistani mates growing up I doubt I'd have wanted to see Asia so much as an adult. As I said above more needs to be made of the good work Muslim communities do. Could they open up their culture more here in the UK to non Muslims? Genuine question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) I'm not sure how to go about that, but I'd love to see some stats gypsies will be top though I thought the same (not about gypsies tbf) - It's a perspective, right or wrong. Edited March 24, 2017 by madthatter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Carry on as really. Here in the UK we live, generally, pretty well together bar the usual numpties. I'm proud to come from a town like Bolton that is so diverse. Had I not had Indian/Pakistani mates growing up I doubt I'd have wanted to see Asia so much as an adult. As I said above more needs to be made of the good work Muslim communities do. Could they open up their culture more here in the UK to non Muslims? Genuine question. Not sure what more they can do to open up their culture.The vast majority would welcome visits to mosques etc. Are there issues unique to sections of the asian/Muslim communities yes there are and the only way to sort them out is make sure the 2nd/3rd generations are taught our secular way of doing things (not Christian as we are not a Christian country) rather than the backwards teachings of the mad mullahs back east. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 I'm not sure how to go about that, but I'd love to see some stats gypsies will be top though Depends if youre talking proper Gypsies like the Roma/Sinti in which case outside of their homelands of northern India they're treated like dirt the world over. Irish travellers etc often don't help themselves and are often the ones caught with the cables and Smiffs genny's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Not sure what more they can do to open up their culture. The vast majority would welcome visits to mosques etc. Are there issues unique to sections of the asian/Muslim communities yes there are and the only way to sort them out is make sure the 2nd/3rd generations are taught our secular way of doing things (not Christian as we are not a Christian country) rather than the backwards teachings of the mad mullahs back east. Indeed. Most Chinese communities tend to be fairly insular if you want to look at it that way. I think that what most experience is more a cultural clash than a religious clash. Muslims come to the UK from a wide range of countries. And those countries have wildly different cultures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Yer Muslim person from Algeria would have a different life to a Iranian or a Uzbeki muslamic. The headscarf/hijab/niqab debate splits Muslims nevermind adding that to the difference between our secular lifestyle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) If anyone thinks your average islamic terrrist is going down the mosque this afternoon and telling everyone in there that he's off to kill folk for Allah, then you're thicker than skipful of lobby. These people work in very small cells, off most radars and away from prying eyes and ears. They certainly don't tell the local Imam about the new knife they just bought for slicing up infidels. I also would think that the Islamic communities would want these cunts nowhere near them either and would happily dob them in (i bet they already do, but it's kept quiet so it can carry on happening for everyone's benefit). I'm not being a bedwetter, but the main aim of these bellends is clearly to divide communities and push their stone age agenda. That will happen if either side allows it. Fact is, they are lone wolf types and are by their very nature a fucking nightmare to spot. Are they lone wolf? I doubt most are I'd think the mentalists might be, the terrorist with a cause usually have some help or peer group or at least been radicalised. Edited March 24, 2017 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e2e4 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) the joint russo-sino push into other parts of the world is gonna be funny. boko haram verses the chinese army. can imagine kofi annan reeee-ing from here about the future war crimes commited against Ibrahim Awad Ibrahim al-Badr . Edited March 24, 2017 by e2e4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 I saw something on Facebook last night which bothered me a bit. It's was a post from a local Muslim guy who does a lot of work for charities - spends a lot of time trying to help the homeless etc, really just the kind of Muslim who should be held up as a great example. Anyway - he posted a #notinmyname type affair saying that all true Muslims would agree that this attack was abhorrent etc. All well and good - but he also made reference to it being a #falseflag Shit like this really worries me. I know it's only one guy - but it's I've heard similar views expressed by Muslim lads I know. It's not a false flag - that's conspiracy bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgoefc Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 What we need from the Islamic community is more of this. Back in the 90's after Rushdie it was quite the opposite but perhaps it is beginning to slowly dawn on the Muslims that they need to confront these twats in the name of their religion and be seen to be doing it when they pop up with their bile! https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153464748691939/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted March 24, 2017 Moderators Share Posted March 24, 2017 bloke arrested in west didsbury, few off will know where he lived, used to live quite close to him as did Jules and Gumbo http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/london-attack-manchester-live-arrest-12790091 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Are they lone wolf? I doubt most are I'd think the mentalists might be, the terrorist with a cause usually have some help or peer group or at least been radicalised.. If you can be radicalised you're more than likely a mentalist. Like any religious cult they latch onto weak, vulnerable people. Bit of brainwashing and voila! A radical jihadi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted March 24, 2017 Moderators Share Posted March 24, 2017 Depends if youre talking proper Gypsies I'm generalising and talking about all of them Yet it's still true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 What we need from the Islamic community is more of this. Back in the 90's after Rushdie it was quite the opposite but perhaps it is beginning to slowly dawn on the Muslims that they need to confront these twats in the name of their religion and be seen to be doing it when they pop up with their bile! https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153464748691939/ Powerful stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) http://linkis.com/www.express.co.uk/ne/T6U26 ???????????????? Edited March 24, 2017 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondi Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Don't know if any of you guys/girls would be interested in donating a few quid to the murdered PC Keith Palmer fund, I chucked a few quid in last night. https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/Keith-palmer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixu Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 If it was a collective fundraiser for all those killed I would be happy to donate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 If it was a collective fundraiser for all those killed I would be happy to donate. Me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 http://linkis.com/www.express.co.uk/ne/T6U26 ???????????????? Fucking superb. Goosebumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgoefc Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 http://linkis.com/www.express.co.uk/ne/T6U26 A bit of dust just entered my eye! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 A bit of dust just entered my eye! Iirc he did a similar belter after the Paris attacks. Great stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffs Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 There seems to be some idea that Islamic community groups aren't working to stop radicalisation and reporting these things to the authorities if they find them. When if folk took the time to look in to these things they'd see that there are already massive amounts of evidence to show these things are actually happening. My issue isn't as much with whether they are are not enough. My issue is them, in whopping great disproportionate numbers, peddling stone age beliefs and not enough questioning it. When this same huge proportions stand and say "oi isis - fuck off. Oi, cavemen, wimmin and guys are equal - fuck off. Oi - brother, these western types have opened their doors over the generations let's stop calling them infidels - fuck off" then maybe people will have a bit more tolerance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little whitt Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 http://linkis.com/www.express.co.uk/ne/T6U26 spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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