mickbrown Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: The reality is that people labelling others is the new way of debating and closing down discussion. The Mail was right leaning before the term gammon was bandied about. I think the term used back way back when was facsist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 1 minute ago, mickbrown said: The Mail was right leaning before the term gammon was bandied about. I think the term used back way back when was facsist. You’ve proved my point. Gammon, Fascist. Simple terms without any background. Right leaning in your world is Fascist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 14 minutes ago, Morizio said: Would you accept that some discussions should be shut down? Not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: You’ve proved my point. Gammon, Fascist. Simple terms without any background. Right leaning in your world is Fascist? Proved nowt. You haven't read the post properly. You missed this bit? 'Way back when' Google Lord Rothermere for your 'backround'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted June 26, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2022 Most news stations including the BBC go through all the papers front pages and also some interesting stories within. The Daily Mail is without doubt right wing, not sure how anyone could think otherwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morizio Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 26 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Not really. I find that interesting. What are you boundaries as to topics that discuss sexism for example? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Most news stations including the BBC go through all the papers front pages and also some interesting stories within. The Daily Mail is without doubt right wing, not sure how anyone could think otherwise? There are left wing and right wing publications. I haven’t denied it was right wing. Is is it Fascist though? Again, my point was about labelling people with simplistic terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Morizio said: I find that interesting. What are you boundaries as to topics that discuss sexism for example? There are no boundaries for discussion. Sexism, racism etc. Everything should be open to discussion and all views open to debate. Not sure what your issue is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted June 26, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2022 Just now, BobyBrno said: There are left wing and right wing publications. I haven’t denied it was right wing. Is is it Fascist though? Again, my point was about labelling people with simplistic terms. I wouldn't say it is fascist, back in the 20s is a different matter but that was 100 years ago so not fair to label the paper as such these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowack Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Other than the guardian I'm struggling to think of any media that isn't right wing or right of centre. I think BBC tries it's best to be neutral ITV is just positivist like Sky and the new boys are all to the right. None of the above seem to like Starmer so he is unfortunately in a hiding to nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Nowack said: Other than the guardian I'm struggling to think of any media that isn't right wing or right of centre. I think BBC tries it's best to be neutral ITV is just positivist like Sky and the new boys are all to the right. None of the above seem to like Starmer so he is unfortunately in a hiding to nothing. The BBC is under scrutiny for its impartiality. It’s still the best news outlet that I rely on though. It’s been said before, they are a better opposition than the Labour Party. They are right to challenge this government. They also challenged the last Labour government. We are lucky that we have a free press/media to be able to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Winchester White said: I wouldn't say it is fascist, back in the 20s is a different matter but that was 100 years ago so not fair to label the paper as such these days. Nobody said it was fascist now. It's definitely, absolutely 100% right wing now. More important than that though, it's a despicable rag. Edited June 26, 2022 by mickbrown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morizio Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 27 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: There are no boundaries for discussion. Sexism, racism etc. Everything should be open to discussion and all views open to debate. Not sure what your issue is. At what point does a discussion about one of these topics no longer be a discussion. In your opinion of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, Morizio said: At what point does a discussion about one of these topics no longer be a discussion. In your opinion of course. I still don’t understand your point. I was talking about people being labelled with simplistic terms because of their point of view. ie, Gammons, Woke, Daily Mail/Guardian readers etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Nobody said it was fascist now. It's definitely, absolutely 100% right wing now. More important than that though, it's a despicable rag. I’m not defending it. 🤷♂️ Actually, to clarify, I defend it’s right to say whatever it wants. That doesn’t mean I agree with what it prints. Edited June 26, 2022 by BobyBrno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted June 26, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2022 Oven Ready 😊🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morizio Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: I still don’t understand your point. I was talking about people being labelled with simplistic terms because of their point of view. ie, Gammons, Woke, Daily Mail/Guardian readers etc. I’m just asking a question 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morizio Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Spider said: Oven Ready 😊🤡 There are people who are out there though, who think it’s a result that brexit has been done and not prepared to look at the cost or the effect. There are even some people who won’t look at it objectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: I’m not defending it. 🤷♂️ Actually, to clarify, I defend it’s right to say whatever it wants. That doesn’t mean I agree with what it prints. I never said you did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 30 minutes ago, Morizio said: There are people who are out there though, who think it’s a result that brexit has been done and not prepared to look at the cost or the effect. There are even some people who won’t look at it objectively. There are some people who voted remain and accept that it’s now done and we have to make the most of it, like me. It’s been 6 years. I didn’t like it then, I don’t like it now. Will there be a day when it won’t be mentioned? I’ve seen blokes and women being chucked get over it quicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowack Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 It is all about Brexit still in afraid. Election was pretty much one policy, get Brexit done. 48 % of the population didn't want it but 52 did and that swung it. We are now in a position where 48% didn't want it, a few percent regret it and the ones that did want it don't like what it is and all of them blame the government. Partygate and the rest just reinforces the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post frank_spencer Posted June 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2022 16 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: There are some people who voted remain and accept that it’s now done and we have to make the most of it, like me. It’s been 6 years. I didn’t like it then, I don’t like it now. Will there be a day when it won’t be mentioned? I’ve seen blokes and women being chucked get over it quicker. I'm past being bothered by the result, that doesn't mean I can't be exasperated at the utter failure of the government to make any decent inroads into making it work. Had the past 6 years consisted of sensible people making the decisions Brexit may not be causing the problems it is. The clown show that has run our negotiations has impacted on brexit far more than any remainers bitching about the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted June 26, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2022 15 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: There are some people who voted remain and accept that it’s now done and we have to make the most of it, like me. It’s been 6 years. I didn’t like it then, I don’t like it now. Will there be a day when it won’t be mentioned? I’ve seen blokes and women being chucked get over it quicker. If you went to a restaurant and ordered a Sirloin Steak, and they served you a human turd, would you keep your mouth shut and 'make the most of it'? You'll keep hearing people mention Brexit until it starts delivering the milk and honey they promised us it would. That could be a very, very long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, Cheese said: If you went to a restaurant and ordered a Sirloin Steak, and they served you a human turd, would you keep your mouth shut and 'make the most of it'? You'll keep hearing people mention Brexit until it starts delivering the milk and honey they promised us it would. That could be a very, very long time. Of all the analogies I’ve heard, that it is the worst.😊 I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Brexit has fucked up my life more than most on here. I have business interests in the Czech Republic. I know more than most the impact that it’s had. I’ve moved on. Nothing that you or anyone on here says will change the result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 24 minutes ago, Nowack said: It is all about Brexit still in afraid. Election was pretty much one policy, get Brexit done. 48 % of the population didn't want it but 52 did and that swung it. We are now in a position where 48% didn't want it, a few percent regret it and the ones that did want it don't like what it is and all of them blame the government. Partygate and the rest just reinforces the position. All we need is an opposition party to say they will have a referendum to rejoin the EU. Will it happen? I doubt it. If that’s the case, move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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