Guest Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) Edited October 24, 2019 by bwfcfan5 Quote
Escobarp Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 Very easy to pick sound bites up and bring together to show what you want we all know that. It’s utter bollocks sorry Quote
Guest Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Very easy to pick sound bites up and bring together to show what you want we all know that. It’s utter bollocks sorry Why would anyone believe anything that came of out The “People’s” Vote?! Quote
Guest Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Why would anyone believe anything that came of out The “People’s” Vote?! Why would anyone believe anything the government came out with? Boris Johnson - November 2018 - DUP Conference Quote "We would be damaging the fabric of the Union with regulatory checks and even customs controls between Great Britain and Northern Ireland on top of those extra regulatory checks down the Irish Sea that are already envisaged in the withdrawal agreement. Now, I have to tell you that no British Conservative government could or should sign up to any such arrangement." And lets not let the government off for yesterday - Johnson claimed there would be no checks - yet a few hours before that NI and Brexit secretary both said there would be - well they used the weasel words of "minimal, targeted interventions". (Subsequently confirmed this today in writing). Liars and merchants of propaganda is all they are. Edited October 24, 2019 by bwfcfan5 Quote
Escobarp Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) I believe they are referring to physical checks. But I could be wrong I’m told on here often enough I am so shall await confirmation I am again Edited October 24, 2019 by Escobarp Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 52 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: People’s vote trying to be relevant. That boat has sailed. Quote
Escobarp Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: People’s vote trying to be relevant. That boat has sailed. It’s the equivalent of our supporters trust basically this lot Quote
Guest Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 38 minutes ago, Escobarp said: I believe they are referring to physical checks. But I could be wrong I’m told on here often enough I am so shall await confirmation I am again Can you explain what a "non -physical" check is? You fill out your export form - saying you are sending over "paper" paper is not on the list of "high risk products" that will be agreed with the EU and UK - so therefore does not require the EU tariff to be paid - nor regulatory compliance. Given you fill in a form - and given the government have said now there will be "minimal targeted interventions" - please explain what "check" could be done to verify that what you are shipping is in fact paper and not say meat - which will be on the tariff list? Quote
Escobarp Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, bwfcfan5 said: Can you explain what a "non -physical" check is? You fill out your export form - saying you are sending over "paper" paper is not on the list of "high risk products" that will be agreed with the EU and UK - so therefore does not require the EU tariff to be paid - nor regulatory compliance. Given you fill in a form - and given the government have said now there will be "minimal targeted interventions" - please explain what "check" could be done to verify that what you are shipping is in fact paper and not say meat - which will be on the tariff list? Again I could be wrong but how do you think this would be facilitated under current rules and regulations? Same scenario. You say you are sending x how do the ports and authorities know you are sending x and not y? again I don’t know the answer so it is a genuine question. The current system works on the same basis with limited checks etc but still even within the EU we are subject to random physical check’s. Who is sending the shipment will depend a lot on whether any further validation is necessary. Quote
Guest Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) Quote "We would be damaging the fabric of the Union with regulatory checks and even customs controls between Great Britain and Northern Ireland on top of those extra regulatory checks down the Irish Sea that are already envisaged in the withdrawal agreement. Now, I have to tell you that no British Conservative government could or should sign up to any such arrangement." Just want to decode what is actually happening. Export declaration forms = customs controls. "Minimal targeted interventions" = checks on goods going into NI to ensure they are what was declared and that they are compliant with EU regulations. Edited October 24, 2019 by bwfcfan5 Quote
Guest Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Again I could be wrong but how do you think this would be facilitated under current rules and regulations? Same scenario. You say you are sending x how do the ports and authorities know you are sending x and not y? again I don’t know the answer so it is a genuine question. The current system works on the same basis with limited checks etc but still even within the EU we are subject to random physical check’s. Who is sending the shipment will depend a lot on whether any further validation is necessary. There will be random checks. And targeted checks. Otherwise if I was shipping stuff over to NI I'd simply not bother filling the form out. Why spend the extra money? Nobody is checking... There will be checks. They've admitted so. And we all know Boris stood up and blatantly just lied to parliament - DUP faces a picture when he said that apparently. The media not exactly doing a very good job here - but I'm beginning to see how most are too scared to lose access to actually expose this stuff. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 33 minutes ago, Escobarp said: It’s the equivalent of our supporters trust basically this lot Supporters Trust much more relevant they have fanzone to run. Quote
Escobarp Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: There will be random checks. And targeted checks. Otherwise if I was shipping stuff over to NI I'd simply not bother filling the form out. Why spend the extra money? Nobody is checking... There will be checks. They've admitted so. And we all know Boris stood up and blatantly just lied to parliament - DUP faces a picture when he said that apparently. The media not exactly doing a very good job here - but I'm beginning to see how most are too scared to lose access to actually expose this stuff. There’s checks now this is my point ive lied in life. We all lie. Sometimes I lie without actually meaning to and just say things to defuse a situation. Granted I’m not a prime minister but Jesus its all getting a bit much this now. Jermey Corbyn has said there is no anti semitism in the Labour Party. That’s a lie end of its tiresome this Boris is a bad man shite now. They’re all bad. Let’s just leave it at that Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Escobarp said: There’s checks now this is my point ive lied in life. We all lie. Sometimes I lie without actually meaning to and just say things to defuse a situation. Granted I’m not a prime minister but Jesus its all getting a bit much this now. Jermey Corbyn has said there is no anti semitism in the Labour Party. That’s a lie end of its tiresome this Boris is a bad man shite now. They’re all bad. Let’s just leave it at that The shithouses in parliament have driven us towards a worse deal than we could of got, sadly Johnson has had to compromise because of the shithouses, now the shithouses say it’s a terrible deal and perhaps we should remain, shithouses were successful in helping the EU in us not getting a better deal in order to push remain agenda, shithouses can all fuck off, despite their treachery, we’re leaving, end of. Edited October 24, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Guest Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 David Lammy @DavidLammy · 8h The French President has more influence over the length of our extension than the British Prime Minister. Brexit is not taking back control, it's giving it away. Couldn’t make it up! Quote
Escobarp Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, boltondiver said: David Lammy @DavidLammy · 8h The French President has more influence over the length of our extension than the British Prime Minister. Brexit is not taking back control, it's giving it away. Couldn’t make it up! That’s a backward statement if I’ve ever seen one. How the fuck could we hold more influence than one of the 27 heads of state that are responsible for granting the extensions 🤔 On a similar note I went to kfc at lunch the cunt behind the counter had more of a say on my lunch order than Boris brexit isn’t about taking back control it’s a shambles #sortmylunchoutboris Quote
darwen_white Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 Lammy again. 😲 Only yesterday, he said Johnson's deal could increase knife crime. https://www.metro.news/david-lammy-deal-could-increase-knife-crime/1769556/ GE can't come soon enough Quote
Guest Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Escobarp said: There’s checks now this is my point ive lied in life. We all lie. Sometimes I lie without actually meaning to and just say things to defuse a situation. Granted I’m not a prime minister but Jesus its all getting a bit much this now. Jermey Corbyn has said there is no anti semitism in the Labour Party. That’s a lie end of its tiresome this Boris is a bad man shite now. They’re all bad. Let’s just leave it at that Has Corbyn said that? That there is none? What checks are there sending stuff to NI now? Also you find it tiresome because it is true and it doesn’t fit your opinion. Boris has come up with the very thing he was so angry about before getting in. It’s hypocritical. Now if he’d been honest and said we have a choice between a border in the Irish Sea or May’s deal then that would be better. But that would be acknowledging the unicorn magic Brexit he promised he’d deliver was impossible. We all know it he just won’t admit it. Edited October 24, 2019 by bwfcfan5 Quote
Escobarp Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Has Corbyn said that? That there is none? What checks are there sending stuff to NI now? Also you find it tiresome because it is true and it doesn’t fit your opinion. Boris has come up with the very thing he was so angry about before getting in. It’s hypocritical. Now if he’d been honest and said we have a choice between a border in the Irish Sea or May’s deal then that would be better. But that would be acknowledging the unicorn magic Brexit he promised he’d deliver was impossible. We all know it he just won’t admit it. Pleas don’t tell me why I feel like I do. Quote
Guest Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Pleas don’t tell me why I feel like I do. 😆😆 Quote
Escobarp Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, boltondiver said: 😆😆 I rewrote it three times before sending i plumped for the least confrontational response I hope that came across Quote
Guest Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Escobarp said: I rewrote it three times before sending i plumped for the least confrontational response I hope that came across I can imagine one but not the other! Quote
kent_white Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 30 minutes ago, darwen_white said: Lammy again. 😲 Only yesterday, he said Johnson's deal could increase knife crime. https://www.metro.news/david-lammy-deal-could-increase-knife-crime/1769556/ GE can't come soon enough He might well be right if there's a 6% drop in GDP and less money on the coffers to pay for police. Either that or we all start paying more tax to make up the shortfall? Quote
Escobarp Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, kent_white said: He might well be right if there's a 6% drop in GDP and less money on the coffers to pay for police. Either that or we all start paying more tax to make up the shortfall? Did the financial crash in 2008 lead directly to increased knife crime in your opinion? Has this ever been something you have thought? Genuine question Kent Quote
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