Politics

[bolty58]

5 hours ago, Spider said:

Have the last few elections not taught us that polls mean fuck all???

Short memories 

Not at all. This one is obvious and far more clear cut than the referendum. LibDems despised by the majority for being clearly and unarguably undemocratic; Labour an absolute shambles under Marxist leadership.

Only a matter of how far Boris wins by.

Edited October 25, 2019 by bolty58

[Jol_BWFC]

7 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Its a fact if we had BJ in charge from day 1 we’d be in a better place, that he’s had to take a remain negotiated deal and then fight a remain House of Commons, it’s a tribute to him he’s managed to reopen the WA, remove the backstop and get a deal that allows us to negotiate trade deals under our own rules, shame the Tories chose May and shame folk weren’t savvy enough to vote tory after the referendum but it is what it is and at least it looks like it’s goodbye to Brussels and all the bollocks that goes with it. 

It’s a hypothesis / opinion, not a fact. 

Edited October 25, 2019 by Jol_BWFC

[Rudy]

Something needs to be done about this government asap

 just read a headline where a woman has been forced to sell sex for £5 whilst she waits for her universal credit. The poor tyke

[Guest]

7 hours ago, royal white said:

You talk like no other politician lies 

Its not that Boris is telling the odd half truth, bending the truth or exaggerating though. It is literally the case that every single statement he comes out with no matter how definitive or sure - is utter nonsense that should he choose within hours he will completely reverse and do or say the opposite.

He's not someone you can define by any set of principles. Everything is for sale - if he thinks its to his advantage. Remain or Leave? He decided at the very last possible second based on which he thought would advantage him most. He wrote two bloody articles. But his whole history is littered with hundreds upon hundreds of examples of this. 

 You basically cannot trust a single word he says or a single promise he makes. The honeymoon period will wear off - especially if he ends up selling the Brexiteer voter out - which I'm convinced he will do eventually. He'll have to following an election at some point to reunite his party. No way on earth will he want the Tories to be seen as "the ERG party". I'm certain within a few years Boris will be making huge huge plays to be a one nation Tory - like he did when Cameron was in charge. 

[Escobarp]

5 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

Something needs to be done about this government asap

 just read a headline where a woman has been forced to sell sex for £5 whilst she waits for her universal credit. The poor tyke

Did you get where she lived? Asking for a friend 

[Rudy]

Just now, Escobarp said:

Did you get where she lived? Asking for a friend 

Birmingham. So expensive for there

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

Birmingham. So expensive for there

Guess she must be good then 😂

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

Something needs to be done about this government asap

 just read a headline where a woman has been forced to sell sex for £5 whilst she waits for her universal credit. The poor tyke

forced to?

perhaps she shoud have been forced to visit a food bank?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

11 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

forced to?

perhaps she shoud have been forced to visit a food bank?

By the sounds of it, I'd have given her a fiver not to.

[mickbrown]

36 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

forced to?

perhaps she shoud have been forced to visit a food bank?

The very fact that food banks even exist is totally fucked up

[bolty58]

58 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

Something needs to be done about this government asap

 just read a headline where a woman has been forced to sell sex for £5 whilst she waits for her universal credit. The poor tyke

Anything for a fiver? She isn't called Underpants by any chance is she?

[Jol_BWFC]

13 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Anything for a fiver? She isn't called Underpants by any chance is she?

Underpants will wank you off for a fiver. For a tenner, he’ll take you to the moon and back.

[Guest]

Few journalists suggesting Boris just went with election to distract from main point that he finally admitted the need to extend the Brexit deadline....

Perhaps given the poll from comres yesterday....

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Westminster voting intention... if "the deadline for the UK to leave the EU has been extended beyond the 31st of October 2019":

LAB: 27% CON: 26% BREX: 20% LDEM: 18% GRN: 4%

 

[Boby Brno]

15 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Few journalists suggesting Boris just went with election to distract from main point that he finally admitted the need to extend the Brexit deadline....

Perhaps given the poll from comres yesterday....

 

The poll shows 2 options. Labour stuck on 27% whichever option you choose.

 

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, Boby Brno said:

The poll shows 2 options. Labour stuck on 27% whichever option you choose.

 

I wonder why Fan 5 chose to post just the poll that showed labour leading.  What a fucking tool.

Edited October 25, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Guest]

Just now, Boby Brno said:

The poll shows 2 options. Labour stuck on 27% whichever option you choose.

 

Indeed - the Brexit party splitting the vote is what he's concerned about. 

Its sort of ironic that now he has a majority to likely get the deal through - Sebastian Payne from the FT - who's parliamentary number analysis has been on point - says he has a majority of 3 to get the deal through - that he's now delaying things with a GE. 

Its a technique to distract I suspect. And also to not allow dilution of his IMHO completely and utterly incorrect narrative of "people vs the parliament". If he let parliament pass the deal - the messaging of "get brexit done" etc disappears....

 

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I wonder why Fan 5 chose to post just the poll that showed labour leading.  What a fucking tool.

You don't need to wonder - its fairly simple. Because that was the poll reflective of the scenario of not leaving the EU by the 31st of October. Which is the scenario I was discussing. We are not leaving with a "Theresa May like deal" on 31st October. 

I don't really care about the polls - my point was that the election letter was a clever rouse to distract everyone from the fact he hasn't delivered Brext on 31st October and in fact could now deliver it but chooses instead to delay. 

I thought it was a fairly simple and straightforward point. 

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, bwfcfan5 said:

You don't need to wonder - its fairly simple. Because that was the poll reflective of the scenario of not leaving the EU by the 31st of October. Which is the scenario I was discussing. We are not leaving with a "Theresa May like deal" on 31st October. 

I don't really care about the polls - my point was that the election letter was a clever rouse to distract everyone from the fact he hasn't delivered Brext on 31st October and in fact could now deliver it but chooses instead to delay. 

I thought it was a fairly simple and straightforward point. 

In your opinion 

[Sweep]

9 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Indeed - the Brexit party splitting the vote is what he's concerned about. 

.

 

 

Can you imagine that cretin, Farage, getting into the HoC? - what a nightmare that would be.

This "deal" that Johnson want's to get through, we'll find out in the next few days how popular it really is, when it's fully scrutinised. People on here saying it's a good deal or a bad deal, are being a bit daft really............unless they've actually sat and read the full document. Listening to Farage on LBC, he reckons that it's a terrible deal, and when the "house" scrutinises it, that many will be against it, which is why Johnson wanted to rush it through quickly (although, I appreciate it is Farage saying this, and hes a massive cunt)

[Mounts Kipper]

11 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

You don't need to wonder - its fairly simple. Because that was the poll reflective of the scenario of not leaving the EU by the 31st of October. Which is the scenario I was discussing. We are not leaving with a "Theresa May like deal" on 31st October. 

I don't really care about the polls - my point was that the election letter was a clever rouse to distract everyone from the fact he hasn't delivered Brext on 31st October and in fact could now deliver it but chooses instead to delay. 

I thought it was a fairly simple and straightforward point. 

You had to look long and hard to find any poll that has labour in front, it matters not a jot, sadly for you they are going to get obliterated Michael foot style. 

Edited October 25, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

In your opinion 

Of course. The distraction bit is an opinion of journalists that actually makes sense to me.

But the rest isn't opinion. He has a chance to deliver the Brexit deal. But instead is trying to get a GE. That means he's choosing delay. Just because he pushes a narrative - the fact is he has a chance of getting the deal through. He's choosing in reality not to try and just play for the GE - but is it because he expects to get it, or because he'd rather have something to talk about other than the promise he made to take us out by 31st October?

The last time he said "we will leave on 31st October deal or no deal" was 4th October. So at that point he knew everything re parliamenary blocks, and opposition to his plans. Yet still promised it. He wants to blame everyone else yet promised that over 30 times knowing the parliamentary difficulties his predecessor experienced and weakened his situation further by chucking a load out. 

Here's my opinion - nobody has done much more to block Brexit than Boris himself. Resigned from cabinet over the initial deal and dragged the whole ERG with him. Meaning it failed 3 times. Sure he did back it the final time. Then go to war with parliament over a no deal - take it to the extremities of unlawful prorogation and chucking MPs out of the party - then bring back a deal on a very tight timescale - win the vote - then have throw his toys out of the pram over a week or two extra - to lead us to a few months extra. 

It takes a very one-eyed view to believe that Boris hasn't been a major obstacle to Brexit being delivered. 

[Guest]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

You had to look hard to find any poll that has labour in front, sadly for you they are going to get obliterated Michael foot style. 

You seem to think I care about Labour's electoral chances. I don't. 

I'd prefer a situation where neither Tories nor Labour can win a majority as I don't trust either front bench. I fundamentally am at odds with the political positions of the Tory front bench. But beyond that I'm not at all interested in Labour winning. And I suspect you are correct that they will do very badly as they've lost huge chunks of their support over their ineptitude on Brexit - both ways. 

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Of course. The distraction bit is an opinion of journalists that actually makes sense to me.

But the rest isn't opinion. He has a chance to deliver the Brexit deal. But instead is trying to get a GE. That means he's choosing delay. Just because he pushes a narrative - the fact is he has a chance of getting the deal through. He's choosing in reality not to try and just play for the GE - but is it because he expects to get it, or because he'd rather have something to talk about other than the promise he made to take us out by 31st October?

The last time he said "we will leave on 31st October deal or no deal" was 4th October. So at that point he knew everything re parliamenary blocks, and opposition to his plans. Yet still promised it. He wants to blame everyone else yet promised that over 30 times knowing the parliamentary difficulties his predecessor experienced and weakened his situation further by chucking a load out. 

Here's my opinion - nobody has done much more to block Brexit than Boris himself. Resigned from cabinet over the initial deal and dragged the whole ERG with him. Meaning it failed 3 times. Sure he did back it the final time. Then go to war with parliament over a no deal - take it to the extremities of unlawful prorogation and chucking MPs out of the party - then bring back a deal on a very tight timescale - win the vote - then have throw his toys out of the pram over a week or two extra - to lead us to a few months extra. 

It takes a very one-eyed view to believe that Boris hasn't been a major obstacle to Brexit being delivered. 

I don’t believe he has a realistic chance of getting that deal through in the current parliament. There will be too many amendments and ultimately it would need us to go back again to the eu for a revised deal which simply won’t be tolerated. 

I’m not saying it’s the way it should be or that a bad deal should be forced through what I’m saying is there are too many ulterior motives in the HoC for any deal to get through unscathed despite the vote last week. 

As I said the other day boris is now delaying to suit his own political agenda but the precedent has already been set by the other democracy deniers in there. And only way this gets sorted is by a GE now. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Can you imagine that cretin, Farage, getting into the HoC? - what a nightmare that would be.

This "deal" that Johnson want's to get through, we'll find out in the next few days how popular it really is, when it's fully scrutinised. People on here saying it's a good deal or a bad deal, are being a bit daft really............unless they've actually sat and read the full document. Listening to Farage on LBC, he reckons that it's a terrible deal, and when the "house" scrutinises it, that many will be against it, which is why Johnson wanted to rush it through quickly (although, I appreciate it is Farage saying this, and hes a massive cunt)

The deal is not a good one but the truth that I and others have been saying all along is there is no good deal on offer - on the terms we want to exit on. Its about minimising harm. The lack of honesty from government and Brexiteers is something that irritates me - pretending the original EU offer that Boris and others completely rejected represents some massive win - is so see through that its unreal. 

If Boris was honest and said that many of the things he promised aren't in this deal and the reality is they cannot be - I think he'd have far less critique of it. The only good deal would have been something focused on SM and CU membership or alignment - even then it would cost money for less than we have now. 

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

You seem to think I care about Labour's electoral chances. I don't. 

I'd prefer a situation where neither Tories nor Labour can win a majority as I don't trust either front bench. I fundamentally am at odds with the political positions of the Tory front bench. But beyond that I'm not at all interested in Labour winning. And I suspect you are correct that they will do very badly as they've lost huge chunks of their support over their ineptitude on Brexit - both ways. 

How can you trust lib dems which is what you imply by not mentioning them in the mistrust? As a nation we voted to leave. That vote is still valid. Yet the lib undems want to ignore it and deny the ability for the result to Be enacted. I for one wouldn’t trust anybody like that but you seem to want to?