Politics

[Not in Crawley]

34 minutes ago, Ani said:

At least they are having a laugh. 

The woman who thought a 17th century paiting of an angel was a picture of the suffragette movement?

Utter plank. What on earth are the details of her brief? Don't run with scissors?

[Spider]

“Marilyn Manson’s Mum…”

😂😂😂

 

[London Wanderer]

17 minutes ago, royal white said:

It what they died for isn’t it, that and a right to protest 😂

Haha

Yes, because citizens having the right to freedom of expression means that politicians should be able to say whatever they like with no consequences 😄

An excellent comparison sir

You might want to read this:

Ministerial Code - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

 

[Cheese]

37 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

What's with all these faux football transfer Fabrizio Romano style announcement tweets? It's proper lame.

It's fucking embarrassing, and sums up what we've become over the last decade or so. We're a circus of a country. A Corporate vehicle for grifters and charlatans. The British Public are just a pain in the arse for them.

[Spider]

Do they ever do any actual work?

[RoadRunnerFan]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

Well there's one already.

 

A standard of written English barely above primary school level and the nature of the content is even less mature than that.

What has become of our elected representatives? 

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, RoadRunnerFan said:

A standard of written English barely above primary school level and the nature of the content is even less mature than that.

What has become of our elected representatives? 

Brexit.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

8 minutes ago, RoadRunnerFan said:

A standard of written English barely above primary school level and the nature of the content is even less mature than that.

What has become of our elected representatives? 

Not even the worst of it from her

 

[RoadRunnerFan]

57 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

What's with all these faux football transfer Fabrizio Romano style announcement tweets? It's proper lame.

 

49 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Braverman's boys are eerily quiet tonight. 

A nonsense post about free speech has been about all we've heard. 

Not sure what planet someone is on to start arguing politicians have a right to say whatever they want. 

The Braverman Bunch are just waiting, priming themselves until Suella's "Pitch-Shirt-Grin" routine on Parliament Square Green  

[London Wanderer]

1 minute ago, RoadRunnerFan said:

 

The Braverman Bunch are just waiting, priming themselves until Suella's "Pitch-Shirt-Grin" routine on Parliament Square Green  

haha

"Sacked for telling the truth" according the Daily Mail 

Christ

[RoadRunnerFan]

13 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

haha

"Sacked for telling the truth" according the Daily Mail 

Christ

One person's "truth" is another person's "lifestyle choice."

[jayjayoghani]

8 hours ago, Cheese said:

 

Bravo. Michael Jordan of multiculturalism  🤣

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

It's a nice joke and all but the "multiculturalism" Braverman was referring to is a particular political philosophy

She's a product off something else - emigration and integration 

People can obviously disagree with her comments if they wish, but she's not a hypocrite for making them

[jayjayoghani]

11 hours ago, ZiggyStardust said:

Yes.

Its the only way she can become PM (And qualify for the PM Pension).

I cant see the Tories winning any of the next 3 GE, unless Labour fuck up massively.

(Although I didnt think it was possible for the tories to blow a 80 seat majority like this).

I'm not so sure. Think most envisage the next election will probably mimic 1997.

However Blair inherited a buoyant economy that enabled his spending commitments. Starmer doesn't have that luxury. I can see a Tory govt being elected in 2028/29 as long as they don't repeat the mistake of going for an Ian Duncan Smith or Michael Howard.

UK public is naturally right leaning after all. 

[jayjayoghani]

And that means avoiding Braverman too!  

[Not in Crawley]

2 hours ago, jayjayoghani said:

I'm not so sure. Think most envisage the next election will probably mimic 1997.

However Blair inherited a buoyant economy that enabled his spending commitments. Starmer doesn't have that luxury. I can see a Tory govt being elected in 2028/29 as long as they don't repeat the mistake of going for an Ian Duncan Smith or Michael Howard.

UK public is naturally right leaning after all. 

It's not, the UK public is simply generally centrist. Its why historically when the Conservatives are on the back foot they lurch to the right, to try and reclaim ground they see as theirs - traditional values and heritage. Major did it with his 'visions of warm beer and cricket' speech in 1997 which was totally at odds with the mood of the time. Also after most election defeats the Conservatives listen more to their members and hunker down on the right more which makes them more unelectable. 

The idea that Labour is profligate is one myth that it propagated by the Tories for their own ends - hence you are seeing a very much dialled down spending commitments from Labour but with a socially liberal message.

The stats always say the same. The UK public is not into small state, is generally socially liberal, likes a fair game ie doesn't believe anyone should have preference over another and that hard work should not be hindered by background. Economically slightly more right, socially more liberal.

The Tories are more electable when they play into these values - Major in 92, Cameron, MacMillian etc they come unstuck when they lurch to the populist right as they are doing now. Same with Labour - go too Left of centre and nobody trusts them.

I agree, this isn't a 1997 moment, too many things are different and Labour haven't captured the imagination in the way they did in that election - but that was all about change. In 2024, the party that looks most stable, calm, responsible and dare I say it, a little dull, will win.

What they do with that mandate will be very interesting to see is how steer the ship from the current troubled waters and the semantic susurrus of the media and online as soon as things aren't so positive.

 

Edited November 14, 2023 by Not in Crawley

[jayjayoghani]

57 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

It's not, the UK public is simply generally centrist. Its why historically when the Conservatives are on the back foot they lurch to the right, to try and reclaim ground they see as theirs - traditional values and heritage. Major did it with his 'visions of warm beer and cricket' speech in 1997 which was totally at odds with the mood of the time. Also after most election defeats the Conservatives listen more to their members and hunker down on the right more which makes them more unelectable. 

The idea that Labour is profligate is one myth that it propagated by the Tories for their own ends - hence you are seeing a very much dialled down spending commitments from Labour but with a socially liberal message.

The stats always say the same. The UK public is not into small state, is generally socially liberal, likes a fair game ie doesn't believe anyone should have preference over another and that hard work should not be hindered by background. Economically slightly more right, socially more liberal.

The Tories are more electable when they play into these values - Major in 92, Cameron, MacMillian etc they come unstuck when they lurch to the populist right as they are doing now. Same with Labour - go too Left of centre and nobody trusts them.

I agree, this isn't a 1997 moment, too many things are different and Labour haven't captured the imagination in the way they did in that election - but that was all about change. In 2024, the party that looks most stable, calm, responsible and dare I say it, a little dull, will win.

What they do with that mandate will be very interesting to see is how steer the ship from the current troubled waters and the semantic susurrus of the media and online as soon as things aren't so positive.

 

Don't disagree with anything you've said there. My choice of words was probably poor, I meant right leaning as in electing Tory governments

[Ani]

Minister for Common Sense. What a shower of shit.

 

[Not in Crawley]

She didn't even look both ways at that crossing. Not much common sense on display there.

 

[Not in Crawley]

Interesting poll in the times yesterday about what matters most in each consituency (I think it was dione by Survation so will be on their website in a couple of days time) anyway when its up have a look but overwhlemingly the top three issues seem to be;

- The Costs of Living

- Health and the NHS

- The Economy

Brexit and the culture wars have faded from view with most of the country.

[Cheese]

 

[Winchester White]

The definition of woke 😂

 

[Farrelli]

41 minutes ago, Cheese said:

 

Bloody sovereignty is a right pain isn’t it?  

[Casino]

how shit must you be if you get sacked and jenrick doesnt

fucking hell

[Ani]

Suellas resignation letter ! 
 

They have a country to run and are more interested in fighting amongst themselves.