What is that "mate" of mine Sadiq Khan trying to achieve ?

 

You lost you demented little cretin, get over it and concentrate on your job you terrorist sympathiser.

Farage will be fewmin

6 hours ago, royal white said:

A new party 👀

 

 

I was talking about bias in reporting earlier. Christ - you want to see this from The Express! 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/2085744/reform-uk-real-movement

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

I was talking about bias in reporting earlier. Christ - you want to see this from The Express! 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/2085744/reform-uk-real-movement

Bit that stood out for me

This is a party founded on Christian values

Seeing this sort of thing said a lot 

I think folk think it means we're not Muslims 

Though there's not a lot of difference between Christian and Muslim values

5 minutes ago, Zico said:

Bit that stood out for me

This is a party founded on Christian values

Seeing this sort of thing? Rsaid a lot 

I think folk think it means we're not Muslims 

Though there's not a lot of difference between Christian and Muslim values

Been saying this for a while mate.

They're going to try and turn this into a religious thing. Lots of racists suddenly seem to have 'found' Jesus - and then done the exact opposite of everything he stood for and espoused (if he ever existed at all that is).

The CofE is on its arse and could be hijacked quite easily. It's creeping in slowly. 

And I'm not really sure the UK is founded on 'Christian values' (whatever that is supposed to mean). We're commited to religious freedom and pluralism. Which you could argue is the opposite of Christianity - which preaches religious uniformity. 

Religion is a powerful motivator though - and some people think it gives them licence to carry out all sorts of atrocities in the name of 'god'. Whichever one they pick. 

A dangerous and extremely sly strategy. Although probably a very good one if you're on that side of the fence. 

I'm not sure they'll be getting into heaven any time soon if such a place exists though! 

11 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Been saying this for a while mate.

They're going to try and turn this into a religious thing. Lots of racists suddenly seem to have 'found' Jesus - and then done the exact opposite of everything he stood for and espoused (if he ever existed at all that is).

The CofE is on its arse and could be hijacked quite easily. It's creeping in slowly. 

And I'm not really sure the UK is founded on 'Christian values' (whatever that is supposed to mean). We're commited to religious freedom and pluralism. Which you could argue is the opposite of Christianity - which preaches religious uniformity. 

Religion is a powerful motivator though - and some people think it gives them licence to carry out all sorts of atrocities in the name of 'god'. Whichever one they pick. 

A dangerous and extremely sly strategy. Although probably a very good one if you're on that side of the fence. 

I'm not sure they'll be getting into heaven any time soon if such a place exists though! 

The CofE is not getting hijacked by the far right

It really isn't

It is true that Christianity had an enormous impact on the founding of certainly England, if not Britain itself

If you're genuinely interested in how and why that is, read God Is an Englishman by Birjan Omrani

15 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Been saying this for a while mate.

They're going to try and turn this into a religious thing. Lots of racists suddenly seem to have 'found' Jesus - and then done the exact opposite of everything he stood for and espoused (if he ever existed at all that is).

The CofE is on its arse and could be hijacked quite easily. It's creeping in slowly. 

And I'm not really sure the UK is founded on 'Christian values' (whatever that is supposed to mean). We're commited to religious freedom and pluralism. Which you could argue is the opposite of Christianity - which preaches religious uniformity. 

Religion is a powerful motivator though - and some people think it gives them licence to carry out all sorts of atrocities in the name of 'god'. Whichever one they pick. 

A dangerous and extremely sly strategy. Although probably a very good one if you're on that side of the fence. 

I'm not sure they'll be getting into heaven any time soon if such a place exists though! 

Aye I know that's something you've touched upon and it's definitely gaining some sort of traction 

What was was interesting, taking the quote further

This is a party founded on Christian values and British principles — the same principles that built one of the most extraordinary nations the world has ever seen. And we make no apologies for saying so.

Aye, the British empire, it was taken to every corner of the world 

However they are against 

Not imported ideologies. Not globalist dogma.

21 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Been saying this for a while mate.

They're going to try and turn this into a religious thing. Lots of racists suddenly seem to have 'found' Jesus - and then done the exact opposite of everything he stood for and espoused (if he ever existed at all that is).

The CofE is on its arse and could be hijacked quite easily. It's creeping in slowly. 

And I'm not really sure the UK is founded on 'Christian values' (whatever that is supposed to mean). We're commited to religious freedom and pluralism. Which you could argue is the opposite of Christianity - which preaches religious uniformity. 

Religion is a powerful motivator though - and some people think it gives them licence to carry out all sorts of atrocities in the name of 'god'. Whichever one they pick. 

A dangerous and extremely sly strategy. Although probably a very good one if you're on that side of the fence. 

I'm not sure they'll be getting into heaven any time soon if such a place exists though! 

Are the last few sentences a reference to Christianity or something else ☺ 

37 minutes ago, Zico said:

Though there's not a lot of difference between Christian and Muslim values

Both (along with Jews) worship the same God. Just different interpretation of the way to worship him and the status of Jesus in the hierarchy of prophet/Messiah/non-existent.

https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/freedom-of-information/february-2025-foi-2355119-25-sexual-crimes-committed-non-uk-nationals

I know they're cunts of the highest order, but at they produce some statistics 

I know the left wing on here like stats 🥂 

1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

The CofE is not getting hijacked by the far right

It really isn't

It is true that Christianity had an enormous impact on the founding of certainly England, if not Britain itself

If you're genuinely interested in how and why that is, read God Is an Englishman by Birjan Omrani

I agree it isn't, yet. But it's extremely vulnerable. If this lot get organised and start going to church on a Sunday, then the original congregations would be swamped and outnumbered in next to no time. Then what do they do? 

And I say this with a lot of warm memories about the CofE - even if my life has taken me down a different path ultimately. 

The thought that the message of the gospels might be drowned out by this lot makes me feel sick. 

I know you don't agree - as you often seem to reply similarly when I raise this topic, but I don't think it's as far fetched as you might imagine.

The other point to note is that if this movement keeps gathering pace then eventually the church will have to take a position on it. Do they welcome these people into the flock? Or do they denounce them? How are they going to feel about their symbology being used on far right matches? 

I haven't read the book but I appreciate your recommendation. I have about 50 unread titles currently gathering dust that I need to get through first mind 🙂

 

31 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I agree it isn't, yet. But it's extremely vulnerable. If this lot get organised and start going to church on a Sunday, then the original congregations would be swamped and outnumbered in next to no time. Then what do they do? 

And I say this with a lot of warm memories about the CofE - even if my life has taken me down a different path ultimately. 

The thought that the message of the gospels might be drowned out by this lot makes me feel sick. 

I know you don't agree - as you often seem to reply similarly when I raise this topic, but I don't think it's as far fetched as you might imagine.

The other point to note is that if this movement keeps gathering pace then eventually the church will have to take a position on it. Do they welcome these people into the flock? Or do they denounce them? How are they going to feel about their symbology being used on far right matches? 

I haven't read the book but I appreciate your recommendation. I have about 50 unread titles currently gathering dust that I need to get through first mind 🙂

 

The pubs and clubs on Bradshawgate will be even emptier by 9pm so the converts will be at church in time for their Sunday club due to their new found faith....praise the lord and bash my bible

Jesusussi Jaaskilainen will save us   

36 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I agree it isn't, yet. But it's extremely vulnerable. If this lot get organised and start going to church on a Sunday, then the original congregations would be swamped and outnumbered in next to no time. Then what do they do? 

And I say this with a lot of warm memories about the CofE - even if my life has taken me down a different path ultimately. 

The thought that the message of the gospels might be drowned out by this lot makes me feel sick. 

I know you don't agree - as you often seem to reply similarly when I raise this topic, but I don't think it's as far fetched as you might imagine.

The other point to note is that if this movement keeps gathering pace then eventually the church will have to take a position on it. Do they welcome these people into the flock? Or do they denounce them? How are they going to feel about their symbology being used on far right matches? 

I haven't read the book but I appreciate your recommendation. I have about 50 unread titles currently gathering dust that I need to get through first mind 🙂

 

"be swamped and outnumbered in next to no time. Then what do they do?" 

 Never going to happen, not sure they can wash their Longsdales having seen the state of Halliwell today.

6 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

"be swamped and outnumbered in next to no time. Then what do they do?" 

 Never going to happen, not sure they can wash their Longsdales having seen the state of Halliwell today.

Time will tell.....

33 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I agree it isn't, yet. But it's extremely vulnerable. If this lot get organised and start going to church on a Sunday, then the original congregations would be swamped and outnumbered in next to no time. Then what do they do? 

And I say this with a lot of warm memories about the CofE - even if my life has taken me down a different path ultimately. 

The thought that the message of the gospels might be drowned out by this lot makes me feel sick. 

I know you don't agree - as you often seem to reply similarly when I raise this topic, but I don't think it's as far fetched as you might imagine.

The other point to note is that if this movement keeps gathering pace then eventually the church will have to take a position on it. Do they welcome these people into the flock? Or do they denounce them? How are they going to feel about their symbology being used on far right matches? 

I haven't read the book but I appreciate your recommendation. I have about 50 unread titles currently gathering dust that I need to get through first mind 🙂

 

They don't and won't go to church, though, because they have no sincere religious belief are a not committed to the faith

They use Christianity as a social signifier for what might charitably be described social conservatism, which is ironic because the CofE trends toward a more socially liberal philosophy today

It's possible there might develop a more nationalist, socially conservative Anglican denomination but if so it'd only ever be very minor

Essentially, they're just cosplaying as religious because they like to see themselves as something similar to what the Knights Templar were

The great irony of all this is that the future of the Anglican church in this country likely lies with African Christian immigrants and those of African Christian heritage

5 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

They don't and won't go to church, though, because they have no sincere religious belief are a not committed to the faith

They use Christianity as a social signifier for what might charitably be described social conservatism, which is ironic because the CofE trends toward a more socially liberal philosophy today

It's possible there might develop a more nationalist, socially conservative Anglican denomination but if so it'd only ever be very minor

Essentially, they're just cosplaying as religious because they like to see themselves as something similar to what the Knights Templar were

The great irony of all this is that the future of the Anglican church in this country likely lies with African Christian immigrants and those of African Christian heritage

Your last paragraph is absolutely spot on sir. The place near the old Bradford Arms place is testament to this. Good call 👏 

15 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Jesusussi Jaaskilainen will save us   

Pray Train

Godni Bergsson

John the Baptiste

27 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

 

Essentially, they're just cosplaying as religious because they like to see themselves as something similar to what the Knights Templar were

 

Which again is ironic given the stance of 

Not imported ideologies. Not globalist dogma

For me, like many things these days, it just comes down to "sides" 

There is a perception that the Muslims are not on "our side"

So they're backing the Christians, that's "our side"

Nicolas Analtar

2 hours ago, Zico said:

Which again is ironic given the stance of 

Not imported ideologies. Not globalist dogma

For me, like many things these days, it just comes down to "sides" 

There is a perception that the Muslims are not on "our side"

So they're backing the Christians, that's "our side"

....not forgetting we atheists who have no time for either but are clear minded when it comes to which is the biggest threat to all we hold dear.

5 hours ago, bolty58 said:

....not forgetting we atheists who have no time for either but are clear minded when it comes to which is the biggest threat to all we hold dear.

Aye, it's the extreme ones you have to watch out for, on both sides

8 hours ago, kent_white said:

Time will tell.....

It will. Being part of a congregation isnt just about going to church on a Sunday, I just dont believe there is the commitment or the numbers to think that the average local Anglican church is going to be overtaken by far right loonbags on some sort of misguided 11th century crusade cosplay.

Then again, if it starts happening and they actually listen to the scriptures based on tolerance, community and love for your fellow then that might not be a bad thing, it'd certainly stop them waving St George's crossed around on odd protest marches and like my local church might give themselves to doing a food drive every Friday for the poor/elderly in the community.

12 hours ago, Zico said:

 

Though there's not a lot of difference between Christian and Muslim values

There clearly is.

Whether there is meant to be is irrelevant. 

Socially, there are huge differences. 

As for England's "faith", of course the nation developed around it, but with influences from others.

Difference now, is that we are secular, so that religion is parked, when it comes to governance and the law.

20 hours ago, royal white said:

A new party 👀

 

 

Hmm.

Ben Habib is a really smart chap, and speaks with authority. 

Like Reform, they seem to be "opposed" to environmental concerns which may hold them back.

It is clear that Farage seems to have just toned down his rhetoric slightly on migrants, and maybe this is a balancing act to gain support, and so far, it's working.

How that would translate to policies if elected, or whether they would toughen up, who knows.

Reforms biggest issue is going to be putting financial accuracy and plausibility to their ideas. As the election eventually appears on the horizon, he's going to have to illustrate how it all gets paid for.