Politics

[miamiwhite]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Starmer is on borrowed time.

This Mandelson situation is arguably the most damaging of all for him.

All this is repeating what has happened before, indeed I heard a comment this morning that Tory MPs have got PTSD from witnessing the same sort of infighting amongst different factions of a party.

Having not got rid of Lucy Powell much earlier when she made her comments, he has now created an enemy of her by his reshuffle, and it has backfired now that she has a strong chance of deputy leader.

Burnham is now on manoeuvres, and he apparently is in the same camp as Powell. 

Labour backbenchers are now breaking ranks as they can see the writing is on the wall too.

Has starmer got the balls to threaten his party with an election if they don't get behind him? I doubt it, and I'm not sure it would work anyway.

Just like the Conservatives, they have lost much of their core vote, have been caught up in the wave "progressive" bullshit and can't find a way out.

The nation needs a strong leader, more so now, and we simply don't have one. He's done well in some regards- notably with support for Ukraine, and seemingly with Trump, but on the domestic stage he's fucked.

I initially reckoned he'd be gone by spring, but my lad said by Christmas- I'm increasingly thinking he's right.

Budget in November, maybe the last straw.

 

4 more years according to the Horwich HMO one 😂 

I'll show my arse on the town hall steps if that happens

[frank_spencer]

Much like the Tories losing out to a shift to the right and Reform in their support.

Starmer's labour have been hit by the left falling out with them too. Depending who you believe the support has shifted left or Labour have shifted to the Right.

Either way both main parties cannot count on the same support they once had.

[miamiwhite]

1 minute ago, frank_spencer said:

Much like the Tories losing out to a shift to the right and Reform in their support.

Starmer's labour have been hit by the left falling out with them too. Depending who you believe the support has shifted left or Labour have shifted to the Right.

Either way both main parties cannot count on the same support they once had.

Worryingly, I agree with you again 

The union leaders at work totally despise Starmer

[miamiwhite]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn82rdmzr20o

When even the BBC are saying this, then it's time for the final curtain

[frank_spencer]

1 minute ago, miamiwhite said:

Worryingly, I agree with you again 

The union leaders at work totally despise Starmer

From those on the left they're not happy with Labours stance on Palestine, trans issues, and their targeting of disability benefits. Along with Starmer's attempts to placate those sympathetic with Reform rather than views aligned with left wing ideals.

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn82rdmzr20o

When even the BBC are saying this, then it's time for the final curtain

There’s people on here that pay to be a member of this party 😵‍💫

[miamiwhite]

1 minute ago, frank_spencer said:

From those on the left they're not happy with Labours stance on Palestine, trans issues, and their targeting of disability benefits. Along with Starmer's attempts to placate those sympathetic with Reform rather than views aligned with left wing ideals.

Mentioned it previously, been in meetings with the union, and it's very interesting what they discuss and show open hatred for certain leading politicians on the left. Quite astounding for a centrist like myself ☺ 

[miamiwhite]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

There’s people on here that pay to be a member of this party 😵‍💫

Stop it mate, only an utter cretin and simple sociopath would do that ☺ 

[BobyBrno]

Even the Guardian is now questioning his leadership. 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/ng-interactive/2025/sep/13/can-keir-survive-inside-the-plot-to-bring-down-the-prime-minister

 

“There has been a joke going around Labour MPs over the past week about three envelopes in Soviet Russia. “Whenever you run into trouble, open them in order,” the instructions go. Envelope one says: “Blame your predecessor.” So he does – and it works. The party officials are satisfied. A year later, problems arise again. He opens envelope two. It says: “Restructure the organisation.”

He does a big reshuffle, changes some titles, and again buys himself some time. Finally, another crisis comes. He opens envelope three. It says: “Prepare three envelopes.”

 

[frank_spencer]

1 minute ago, miamiwhite said:

Mentioned it previously, been in meetings with the union, and it's very interesting what they discuss and show open hatred for certain leading politicians on the left. Quite astounding for a centrist like myself ☺ 

You're as much of a centrist as me you tinker. 😁

Many of us lefties held our noses and voted Labour as the lesser of 2 evils. They'll not have that benefit next time out. Mentioned it at the time but at Manchester Punk Festival Labour were getting close to similar levels of grief than the Tories have had in the past. Probably due to hopes they'd be better than the Tories rather than more of the same.

[miamiwhite]

50 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

You're as much of a centrist as me you tinker. 😁

Many of us lefties held our noses and voted Labour as the lesser of 2 evils. They'll not have that benefit next time out. Mentioned it at the time but at Manchester Punk Festival Labour were getting close to similar levels of grief than the Tories have had in the past. Probably due to hopes they'd be better than the Tories rather than more of the same.

It's actually a sad state of affairs isn't it re the politics and the parties right now ?

My sincere apologies for being a pure centrist ☺ x

[miamiwhite]

53 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Even the Guardian is now questioning his leadership. 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/ng-interactive/2025/sep/13/can-keir-survive-inside-the-plot-to-bring-down-the-prime-minister

 

“There has been a joke going around Labour MPs over the past week about three envelopes in Soviet Russia. “Whenever you run into trouble, open them in order,” the instructions go. Envelope one says: “Blame your predecessor.” So he does – and it works. The party officials are satisfied. A year later, problems arise again. He opens envelope two. It says: “Restructure the organisation.”

He does a big reshuffle, changes some titles, and again buys himself some time. Finally, another crisis comes. He opens envelope three. It says: “Prepare three envelopes.”

 

Where's the 4 more years HMO fella when we need him 😂 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, miamiwhite said:

4 more years according to the Horwich HMO one 😂 

I'll show my arse on the town hall steps if that happens

Simply can't see it.

What is more, with starmer at the helm there is no way you could see them winning the next election, whenever it is, so it's a no-brainer.

[miamiwhite]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Simply can't see it.

What is more, with starmer at the helm there is no way you could see them winning the next election, whenever it is, so it's a no-brainer.

Absolutely pal. Check the recent quotes from "his side"

They know he is a charlatan and as strong as a fortnight 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And that is 2 week my friend 

[Spider]

3 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

Where's the 4 more years HMO fella when we need him 😂 

I’ve been out, I’d apologise but that would be fucking weird.

4 more years of Labour. Starmer will likely be gone shortly after Xmas, perhaps sooner. It is the way of things these days.

How many PM’s did the Tories have whilst in power the last time? Top of my head it was 5, so let’s wait another few years and see how things compare.

For now, I notice <milllions> made it to London and back despite everyone not having 2 ha’pennies to rub together thanks to Reeves. Christ knows how everyone is affording the weekly shop, let alone frivolous trips to the capikal for t’see tommeh 🥰

Edited September 13, 2025 by Spider

[BobyBrno]

It’ll happen eventually. 

[MancWanderer]

35 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

It’ll happen eventually. 

I sincerely hope that it does. I like Andy Burnham. I quite liked Graham Stringer. He did his best but Burnham has done a lot more for Manc

I have no affiliation to a particular party. I voted LibDem last time. I accepted Labour’s win but expressed reservations on here at the time that Starmer wasn’t the man for the job. I’m even more certain now

The first MP I ever voted for was Doug Hoyle when I lived in Warrington back in the 80s. Burnham somehow reminds me of him

Yes, it’s a big step from mayor to PM as history has recently proved. But he’s not a big blustering idiot so he has a chance imo

Labour need to act quickly. Starmer’s ‘walking the mile’ to the chair and no matter what folk think about the validity of yesterday’s protest, or the numbers, it’s a big signal about his failings. Add in Mandelson, Raynor, Reeves and you can see, if not agree with, why folk are drifting towards the frog-faced cunt Farage which would be a disaster

On the plus side, a Northerner in the hot seat ‘could’ be a massive benefit to us filthy oiks outside the Home Counties. On the negative side, a fucking Everton fan anywhere near power is utterly horrific to think about 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Perhaps the other parties should get their own frog faced cunts in then!

Folk are drifting that way, as there is only one FFC committing to sorting out the migrant situation. 

Whoever gets the next Labour leader job, will have the same issues. Until they listen to the concerns of its traditional voter base, and cast out the ultra progressives, they may struggle to win the next election. 

Same with the Conservatives. 

 

[Spider]

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Perhaps the other parties should get their own frog faced cunts in then!

Folk are drifting that way, as there is only one FFC committing to sorting out the migrant situation. 

Whoever gets the next Labour leader job, will have the same issues. Until they listen to the concerns of its traditional voter base, and cast out the ultra progressives, they may struggle to win the next election. 

Same with the Conservatives. 

 

Labour Party has always been a broad church 

You’re suggesting they only allow a very narrow band of voters in.

Youve not been paying attention.

[Dimron]

11 hours ago, Spider said:

Labour Party has always been a broad church 

You’re suggesting they only allow a very narrow band of voters in.

Youve not been paying attention.

Starmer now needs to get back to basics and micromanage his cabinet at least until next May.

He should have some good news stories by the end of the week to capitalise upon... Trump is bringing some big hitters with him so hopefully expect trade deal announcements which will help our economy, Mandelson's parting gift?

[frank_spencer]

6 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Starmer now needs to get back to basics and micromanage his cabinet at least until next May.

He should have some good news stories by the end of the week to capitalise upon... Trump is bringing some big hitters with him so hopefully expect trade deal announcements which will help our economy, Mandelson's parting gift?

I'd have more respect for Starmer if he called out Trump's bullshit to his face rather than sitting there like a nodding dog as he witters on.

[Dimron]

1 minute ago, frank_spencer said:

I'd have more respect for Starmer if he called out Trump's bullshit to his face rather than sitting there like a nodding dog as he witters on.

Let's see what happens... he needs some good news stories to build on

[frank_spencer]

7 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Let's see what happens... he needs some good news stories to build on

Last time he was here Starmer sat there in silence as Trump wanged on about China making all our 'windmills' and how terrible they were. He could've at least stood up for the British workers who actually make the things.

[Winchester White]

22 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

Last time he was here Starmer sat there in silence as Trump wanged on about China making all our 'windmills' and how terrible they were. He could've at least stood up for the British workers who actually make the things.

Nah, just listening to his bollocks for 5 minutes is well worth it. Trump is a narcissistic dogshit who would fuck us over if anything displeased him.

That said, if Starmer called him a sick fucker who likes underage girls and kicked him in the bollocks then I would also be agreement.

Edited September 15, 2025 by Winchester White
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[bolty58]

So another of Starmers 'stars' has had to fall on his sword for derogatory and 'sexually charged' remarks about Diane Abacus.

Then a Tory MP defects to Reform.

No wonder the lefties are all shitting bricks.