Politics

[Ani]

I think we should be allowed to redefine what a word or phrase means at least 3 times a month.

 

Ironically if I choose to redefine 3 to mean a million I can redefine something more than anyone else. 

[frank_spencer]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

I think we should be allowed to redefine what a word or phrase means at least 3 times a month.

 

Ironically if I choose to redefine 3 to mean a million I can redefine something more than anyone else. 

Yeah but I've redefined a million to mean 2

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, gonzo said:

You've just generated a whole row on a definition of the phrase 'self-made' in which you are clearly wrong.

You're, not for the first time, taking that saying in the absolute most literal sense possible. Nobody apart from you would ever do that or come to that silly conclusion when hearing that term.

To normal people it just means they started as a normal person and worked their way up to being a billionaire.

Then you're going off on tangent calling people thickos and cunts because people say that's wrong.

In your warped mind you've managed to twist a generic term that's used by everyone and generated a little Friday tea time row for yourself.

You may as well have just walked in your local pub and picked a fight for no apparent reason.

No I didn't. You have it back to front. I was talking in a more nuanced way, then Zico brought up dictionary definitions.

[Zico]

4 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

Also the mega rich parents to pay the bills and bail them out of it goes tits up.

you're thinking of Trump

the fact is, it didn't go tits up, and they are now self made billionaires 

you don't have to like them, I'm not a fan of Musk for sure, but that's not to deny what they did to get where they are

[Ani]

5 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

Yeah but I've redefined a million to mean 2

Ah you silly sausage you have two, I have a million because I do not know about your redefinition. 

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, Zico said:

you're thinking of Trump

the fact is, it didn't go tits up, and they are now self made billionaires 

you don't have to like them, I'm not a fan of Musk for sure, but that's not to deny what they did to get where they are

Jesus wept. 🤦‍♂️ You'd have been praising slave-owners for their entrepreneurialism in the 1700's.

[frank_spencer]

4 minutes ago, Zico said:

you're thinking of Trump

the fact is, it didn't go tits up, and they are now self made billionaires 

you don't have to like them, I'm not a fan of Musk for sure, but that's not to deny what they did to get where they are

They are self made to an extent but with a good chunk of help from the life their parents could provide.my issue with Self Made labels is they often come with an idea that the only thing stopping others from doing it is gumption and work ethic.

[frank_spencer]

3 minutes ago, Ani said:

Ah you silly sausage you have two, I have a million because I do not know about your redefinition. 

Curse you!

[Zico]

5 minutes ago, Cheese said:

No I didn't. You have it back to front. I was talking in a more nuanced way, then Zico brought up dictionary definitions.

If your argument only works with your own personal 'more nuanced' definition that contradicts the actual meaning of the word, then the problem is your definition

[frank_spencer]

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Jesus wept. 🤦‍♂️ You'd have been praising slave-owners for their entrepreneurialism in the 1700's.

That's a heck of a leap there. Bezos at least pays his staff even if it is the minimum he can get away with.

[Zico]

7 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Jesus wept. 🤦‍♂️ You'd have been praising slave-owners for their entrepreneurialism in the 1700's.

why?

[mickbrown]

19 minutes ago, Ani said:

He can have billions. He will never have Platt in the 120th minute v Belgium in The Westleigh 1990. 

Exactly.

That, and I am fucking terrific. 

[Cheese]

Just now, Zico said:

If your argument only works with your own personal 'more nuanced' definition that contradicts the actual meaning of the word, then the problem is your definition

My argument isn't to do with the word/phrase "self-made". You took us down that route.

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, Zico said:

why?

Because they did whatever they could to make as much money as possible regardless of any moral implications, and you applaud that, don't you? How do you think Musk's father made his money?

[Cheese]

7 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

That's a heck of a leap there. Bezos at least pays his staff even if it is the minimum he can get away with.

Even slave owners in the 1700's paid their slaves - the minimum they could possibly get away with.

Edited November 28, 2025 by Cheese

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Even slave owners in the 1700's paid their slaves - the minimum they could possibly get away with.

Slaves were forced to work. No one is being forced to work for Amazon. You’re on fire tonight kidda 😂

[gonzo]

5 minutes ago, Cheese said:

My argument isn't to do with the word/phrase "self-made". You took us down that route.

You took yourself down that route by taking the phrase in the most literal sense possible.

[Ani]

Shit had lost track of the days, did not realise is Friday and things go weird on here on Fridays.

 

Good Luck Everyone. Seems someone has started early. 

[mickbrown]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

Shit had lost track of the days, did not realise is Friday and things go weird on here on Fridays.

 

Good Luck Everyone. Seems someone has started early. 

Miami will be along in a minute to add some good old fashioned sense to the proceedings 

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

You took yourself down that route by taking the phrase in the most literal sense possible.

But Zico posted the 'literal' definition...?

[gonzo]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

But Zico posted the 'literal' definition...?

Zico posted a definition of the term that 99.9% of the population would agree with.

On Planet Cheese however you disagree with the definition and think the term should imply anyone self made should've had no help or assistance In any way shape or form.

 

[London Wanderer]

37 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Jesus wept. 🤦‍♂️ You'd have been praising slave-owners for their entrepreneurialism in the 1700's.

The fuck are you on about 😂

That surpasses RW for Whataboutery

 take a bow 

[Cheese]

6 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Zico posted a definition of the term that 99.9% of the population would agree with.

On Planet Cheese however you disagree with the definition and think the term should imply anyone self made should've had no help or assistance In any way shape or form.

Ok mate. If that interpretation makes you feel better and less thick. Yes, that's exactly what has gone on. 👍

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

The fuck are you on about 😂

That surpasses RW for Whataboutery

 take a bow 

See my reply above. That's how it works isn't it? Doesn't matter what moral boundaries are overstepped, as long as someone makes as much money as possible, they should be celebrated?

"You don't have to like them, but you can't deny they made shit loads of money."

Edited November 28, 2025 by Cheese

[London Wanderer]

8 minutes ago, Cheese said:

See my reply above. That's how it works isn't it? Doesn't matter what moral boundaries are overstepped, as long as someone makes as much money as possible, they should be celebrated?

There is nothing wrong with making money. But of course we shouldn't be celebrating people who've done so at the expense of others and the environment.

Complex though isn't it.

Take Jim Ratcliffe for example. Grangemouth provided employment in an area of Scotland that badly needed it, for a people with lots of different skill sets. The plant however has caused a huge amount of pollution and flooded the Forth with toxic plastic pellets. If that was you or me we'd be in prison. Just like the person who fly tipped that mountain of trash near Oxford. 

Could probably say the same for a lot of billionaires across the country. They just shouldn't be above the law and neither should they be given so much political influence. That's the problem. 

Edited November 28, 2025 by London Wanderer