Politics

[Zico]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

That's my point. The way the term is used in "the real world" (mostly by thickos) is incorrect, and this should be emphasised a lot more.

it's defined as such in the oxford english dictionary

but yeah, you tell em

[gonzo]

31 minutes ago, Cheese said:

 

Unless they did absolutely everything by themselves without the assistance of employees until they became a billionaire, and they didn't use the amenities, transport links, health care systems, power networks, banking systems etc. etc. etc, then they are not "self-made".

Now you're just being silly.

[Cheese]

11 minutes ago, Zico said:

it's defined as such in the oxford english dictionary

but yeah, you tell em

Post the Oxford English Dictionary definition.

[Cheese]

6 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Now you're just being silly.

I'm just pointing out that a "self-made billionaire" isn't actually "self-made", and has relied on societal structures created by and contributed to by hundreds of millions of people who aren't billionaires. What's silly about that?

Edited November 28, 2025 by Cheese

[Zico]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Post the Oxford English Dictionary definition.

 

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Zico said:

 

Can you post the other 2 as I don't subsribe to the OED.

[frank_spencer]

Bezos was given $250,000 by his billionaire father to start Amazon.

Musk was supported by his apartheid era mine owning father in his early years.

Edited November 28, 2025 by frank_spencer

[Cheese]

Getting side-tracked here anyway. I'm just pointing out that nobody who has horded billions of pounds/dollars worth of wealth has done it alone, and has almost certainly exploited millions of other people. If you think that's laudable, fair enough.

[Zico]

5 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Can you post the other 2 as I don't subsribe to the OED.

me neither 

chatgpt reckons

1. The modern, standard meaning 

A person who has achieved success or wealth by their own efforts, not through inheritance or family advantage.
This is the everyday meaning used in business, media, and academia.

2. A broader personal-development sense

Something or someone that has developed or improved themselves through their own efforts.
Example: “a self-made writer,” “a self-made scholar.”
This doesn’t necessarily refer to money — it’s about skills, character, reputation, etc.

3. Obsolete: Literally made by oneself

Something created by one’s own hands or efforts, not made by someone else.
This older meaning can refer to objects or people in the sense of self-created — which no one uses today outside of humorous exaggeration.

[mickbrown]

Arf……

 

[royal white]

18 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Now you're just being silly.

It’s the same goon who said Musk wasn’t an entrepreneur 

[Cheese]

And you cunts wonder why society is on its arse and poverty levels are reverting back to the days of Charles Dickens. It's fucking obvious, unless you're thick.

Edited November 28, 2025 by Cheese

[Zico]

7 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

Bezos was given $250,000 by his billionaire father to start Amazon.

Musk was supported by his apartheid era mine owning father in his early years.

Bezos had already started Amazon and got it up and running from a garage when his parents invested / gave him cash

Musk was given funding by his dad which he says was arond 10%, and they had other investors, in the first company he and his brother / mate set up - when they sold it for £300m he got £20M

then went and set up other companies to get to where he is now

that's perfectly normal for any business starting up

it's the the vision, hard work and endeavour of a person that makes them a self made success

[royal white]

15 minutes ago, Cheese said:

And you cunts wonder why society is on its arse and poverty levels are reverting back to the days of Charles Dickens. It's fucking obvious, unless you're thick.

Imagine hating on successful people so much, what a bitter twisted fool you are. Instead of spending your days online whining about them why don’t you try and set up your own business and donate your millions to those that need it. 

Edited November 28, 2025 by royal white

[gonzo]

15 minutes ago, Cheese said:

And you cunts wonder why society is on its arse and poverty levels are reverting back to the days of Charles Dickens. It's fucking obvious, unless you're thick.

Shouting at the moon tonight old bean.

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Shouting at the moon tonight old bean.

Better than shouting at a hotel pal. Tell me how I'm wrong...

[Bertie]

I don’t think someone working hard to be a rich millionaire/billionaire should be resented or criticised. Good luck to them. Even inherited wealth isn’t anyone’s “fault”. Wealth creation is good for growth (not that we know what that is in the UK anymore).

Unlike the film line though, greed is not good. Tax evasion is evil, even tax avoidance is morally questionable at times. Too many people/companies do not pay their fair way. They must be blind or morally bankrupt when they walk down a street and see some folks really struggling in life.

Oh to be Warren Buffett or another billionaire philanthropist with a conscience. What a great way to live a life 👏

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbeswealthteam/2025/02/03/americas-most-generous-philanthropists-2025/

[Zico]

10 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Tell me how I'm wrong...

it started when you said "There is no such thing as a "self-made billionaire"" and then continued on to the idea that the dictionary definition of "self-made" used by folk is incorrect and any one who does use it is a thicko

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Zico said:

it started when you said "There is no such thing as a "self-made billionaire"" and then continued on to the idea that the dictionary definition of "self-made" used by folk is incorrect and any one who does use it is a thicko

Then you have misunderstood my point entirely, and you are indeed a thicko.

[gonzo]

11 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Better than shouting at a hotel pal. Tell me how I'm wrong...

You've just generated a whole row on a definition of the phrase 'self-made' in which you are clearly wrong.

You're, not for the first time, taking that saying in the absolute most literal sense possible. Nobody apart from you would ever do that or come to that silly conclusion when hearing that term.

To normal people it just means they started as a normal person and worked their way up to being a billionaire.

Then you're going off on tangent calling people thickos and cunts because people say that's wrong.

In your warped mind you've managed to twist a generic term that's used by everyone and generated a little Friday tea time row for yourself.

You may as well have just walked in your local pub and picked a fight for no apparent reason.

[Zico]

Just now, Cheese said:

Then you have misunderstood my point entirely, and you are indeed a thicko.

we were/are on the same page in that we agreed that the wealthiest of the wealthy (and indeed everyone) need to pay their way fairly and equally but they don't

I understand the point you are making when you post the wine glass analogy of trickle down economics, and it's a very valid point

it was the bit in between where you tried to re-define the term "self made" that it all started to go wrong for you

[Zico]

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

You've just generated a whole row on a definition of the phrase 'self-made' in which you are clearly wrong.

You're, not for the first time, taking that saying in the absolute most literal sense possible. Nobody apart from you would ever do that or come to that silly conclusion when hearing that term.

To normal people it just means they started as a normal person and worked their way up to being a billionaire.

Then you're going off on tangent calling people thickos and cunts because people say that's wrong.

In your warped mind you've managed to twist a generic term that's used by everyone and generated a little Friday tea time row for yourself.

You may as well have just walked in your local pub and picked a fight for no apparent reason.

[mickbrown]

Even with all his billions, I’d still rather me than Musk

[Ani]

Just now, mickbrown said:

Even with all his billions, I’d still rather me than Musk

He can have billions. He will never have Platt in the 120th minute v Belgium in The Westleigh 1990. 

[frank_spencer]

38 minutes ago, Zico said:

Bezos had already started Amazon and got it up and running from a garage when his parents invested / gave him cash

Musk was given funding by his dad which he says was arond 10%, and they had other investors, in the first company he and his brother / mate set up - when they sold it for £300m he got £20M

then went and set up other companies to get to where he is now

that's perfectly normal for any business starting up

it's the the vision, hard work and endeavour of a person that makes them a self made success

Also the mega rich parents to pay the bills and bail them out of it goes tits up.