Politics

[Farrelli]

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

So both sides lied and a majority to leave

Slight majority three years ago and based on lies. 

[Guest]

Just now, Farrelli said:

Cracking. That's like saying BWFC have a great opportunity to get back in the prem before 2069.

Weird interpretation

He says the opportunity is for the next 50 years, so.....now!

but let fear get in the way and stay in the retarded nut job EU, why don’t we?

[Guest]

Just now, Farrelli said:

Slight majority three years ago and based on lies. 

Both sides lied and there was a majority to leave

These are facts.

[Farrelli]

Just now, boltondiver said:

Weird interpretation

He says the opportunity is for the next 50 years, so.....now!

but let fear get in the way and stay in the retarded nut job EU, why don’t we?

But you listed all the positives yesterday. How are we doing so well if is retarded ?

[Salford Trotter]

3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Did you read what Rees Mogg actually said, rather than what remain mythology deems him to have said?

He said that we may not see any benefit for up to 50 years and this is what Farage said.. Nigel Farage never promised that Brexit “would be a huge success”, he said on LBC radio. “I never said it would be a beneficial thing to leave and everyone would be better off,” said Farage – who has repeatedly said we would be better off – “just that we would be self-governing.”

[Farrelli]

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

Both sides lied and there was a majority to leave

These are facts.

52/48 is a slight majority but it was three years ago and based on lies.

Second referendum would be a good way to break the present impasse. 

[Mounts Kipper]

9 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Slight majority three years ago and based on lies. 

Aye but it trumps a minority who voted remain, who’s vote was based on economic forecasts that were lies. 

[Mounts Kipper]

7 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

52/48 is a slight majority but it was three years ago and based on lies.

Second referendum would be a good way to break the present impasse. 

You’ve obviously not see the EU polls for next week, 33% voting for the Brexit party, you don’t really want to get smashed again on a leave/remain vote do you? 

Edited May 15, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Salford Trotter]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You’ve obviously not see the EU polls for next week, 33% voting for the Brexit party, you don’t really want to get smashed again on a leave/remain vote do you? 

Only 33% voting for Brexit then? What do the other 67% want? 

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

He said that we may not see any benefit for up to 50 years and this is what Farage said.. Nigel Farage never promised that Brexit “would be a huge success”, he said on LBC radio. “I never said it would be a beneficial thing to leave and everyone would be better off,” said Farage – who has repeatedly said we would be better off – “just that we would be self-governing.”

That isn’t what he said; I have posted it for your benefit

 

and Farage is right; it isn’t about money

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

52/48 is a slight majority but it was three years ago and based on lies.

Second referendum would be a good way to break the present impasse. 

Unless it is 

1. A confirmatory con vote

2. A win for leave, which will have remainers looking for other ways of stopping democracy

I may be for Brexit, but I’m not that stupid

[Mounts Kipper]

7 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

Only 33% voting for Brexit then? What do the other 67% want? 

The others voting mainly for labour and Tories, plenty of brexiteers among those both parties.  Interesting Change uk pro remain smashed to pieces. 😂

Edited May 15, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[bwfcfan5]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You’ve obviously not see the EU polls for next week, 33% voting for the Brexit party, you don’t really want to get smashed again on a leave/remain vote do you? 

 

BREX: 27% (-1) LAB: 25% (-1) CON: 15% (+1) LDEM: 13% (+2) GRN: 7% (+1) CHUK: 6% (-2) UKIP: 3% (+1)

Latest comres poll.

Add up Brexit party, UKIP and Conservative vote - 45%

Add up Labour, Lib Dem, Green and Change UK - 47%

Now we can't assume that ALL labour voters would vote remain (but polls show 80% would) and we can't assume all Conservative voters would vote to leave (and its a around 70% on polling)  - so that 47-45 is likely even more heavily weighted towards remain than that poll would suggest.....especially since you have to add SNP into the mix as another remain party. 

Not sure your analysis is correct. There is effectively one single Brexit party who will scoop up the majority of Brexiteer votes.

There are 3 English remain parties alone. 

 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

4 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

 

BREX: 27% (-1) LAB: 25% (-1) CON: 15% (+1) LDEM: 13% (+2) GRN: 7% (+1) CHUK: 6% (-2) UKIP: 3% (+1)

Latest comres poll.

Add up Brexit party, UKIP and Conservative vote - 45%

Add up Labour, Lib Dem, Green and Change UK - 47%

Now we can't assume that ALL labour voters would vote remain (but polls show 80% would) and we can't assume all Conservative voters would vote to leave (and its a around 70% on polling)  - so that 47-45 is likely even more heavily weighted towards remain than that poll would suggest.....especially since you have to add SNP into the mix as another remain party. 

Not sure your analysis is correct. There is effectively one single Brexit party who will scoop up the majority of Brexiteer votes.

There are 3 English remain parties alone. 

 

 

It highlights very little has changed since 2016 despite more project fear, another referendum a waste of time. The referendum result should be enacted, it is the only sensible conclusion. 

Edited May 15, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Salford Trotter]

3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

That isn’t what he said; I have posted it for your benefit

 

and Farage is right; it isn’t about money

JRM said the opportunity was over the next 50 years, in other words there is a possibility that we might not see the growth until the end of that period. If he was so upbeat about what benefits would bring why would he not talk in more positive terms and be less vague than he was? 

Farage has consistently said we would be better off if we left, i don't remember him saying that we wouldn't be better off in the referendum campaign or did i miss that bit? 

[bwfcfan5]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It highlights very little has changed since 2016 despite more project fear, another referendum a waste of time. The referendum result should be enacted, it is the only sensible conclusion. 

I think its quite likely that it (and consistent polling of EU referendum voting intentions) shows that whilst there is no landslide move - that remain is now ahead. If you believe the polls. Which I don't really. But you wanted to use polling evidence. And there is precious little polling evidence (read none) to support the argument that leave would win a 2nd referendum.

[Salford Trotter]

10 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

The others voting mainly for labour and Tories, plenty of brexiteers among those both parties.  Interesting Change uk pro remain smashed to pieces. 😂

Or perhaps they don't want Brexit now they have a greater understanding of what's involved? If voters are hellbent on giving the established parties a kicking over Brexit you can bet that they will be voting for the Brexit Party. Shall we assume that those voters still supporting Tory and Labour are remainers then?

[miamiwhite]

37 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

You have misread the quote mate

I mistyped to be honest mate. No way will our manufacturing industry be mostly eliminated, absolutely no chance.

[Salford Trotter]

3 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

I mistyped to be honest mate. No way will our manufacturing industry be mostly eliminated, absolutely no chance.

Well you better tell Prof Minford that because he is convinced it will be. JRM is a big fan of the Prof too 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

Or perhaps they don't want Brexit now they have a greater understanding of what's involved?

No one knows exactly what's involved. What we do know, is what has happened during our involvement with the EEC.

Perhaps people don't want it now, given the 40 years or so of learning just what's involved.

It's quite pathetic basing an argument purely on speculation, and speculation on one specific topic (albeit a major one).

The only absolute is our membership of the EU. People have based their votes on that. If it was so bloody fantastic, no-one would even consider leaving and the idea of a referendum would never have arisen.

Moreover, despite all the accusations and doom mongering, the intelligentsia still couldn't manage to persuade a majority as to the virtues of it.

Perhaps it isn't so good.

[Farrelli]

33 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Aye but it trumps a minority who voted remain, who’s vote was based on economic forecasts that were lies. 

Not really. I was more influenced by our performance over the last forty odd years and we're doing ok thanks.

[darwen_white]

48 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

52/48 is a slight majority but it was three years ago and based on lies.

Second referendum would be a good way to break the present impasse. 

If the 2016 EU referendum had been a straight run off between two parties for parliament, it would have been over 100 seat majority for Leave, a landslide. 

A second referendum wouldn't break the impasse, because Leave would win again - and again

 

[bwfcfan5]

25 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

No one knows exactly what's involved. What we do know, is what has happened during our involvement with the EEC.

Perhaps people don't want it now, given the 40 years or so of learning just what's involved.

It's quite pathetic basing an argument purely on speculation, and speculation on one specific topic (albeit a major one).

The only absolute is our membership of the EU. People have based their votes on that. If it was so bloody fantastic, no-one would even consider leaving and the idea of a referendum would never have arisen.

Moreover, despite all the accusations and doom mongering, the intelligentsia still couldn't manage to persuade a majority as to the virtues of it.

Perhaps it isn't so good.

Or perhaps people were misled systematically over a period of years that the EU was to blame for things that it had absolutely no part in? 

There is the rub. The EU is commonly misrepresented by Brexiteers to audiences who voted to leave. And you don't need to look hard to see the inaccuracies.

If someone repeatedly tells you something is to blame, its easier to agree than to look for the evidence. 

[miamiwhite]

1 hour ago, Salford Trotter said:

Well you better tell Prof Minford that because he is convinced it will be. JRM is a big fan of the Prof too 

Shall I remind you again what Osborne said ?

George that is, not Ozzy in a drunken,drug fuelled state.....mind you, he’d have made more sense

 

[Salford Trotter]

7 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Shall I remind you again what Osborne said ?

George that is, not Ozzy in a drunken,drug fuelled state.....mind you, he’d have made more sense

 

Probably😂

Scary thing the Prof is meant to be an expert so if it does transpire he is right, even partially, then there will be some angry people who will feel they have been duped