royal white Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: What kind of parents do this inane shite to their kids ? I wouldn’t be at all surprised if their parents posted on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darwen_white Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Traf said: The EU elections are another exercise in futility. Eventually we won't be part of Europe so why piss money up a wall hosting elections? The government thought they'd test the water with this election in hope of apathy. They're in for a shock though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, darwen_white said: The government thought they'd test the water with this election in hope of apathy. They're in for a shock though.. Let’s hope so, my Brexit party vote went in the post tonight. Edited May 13, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 20 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Let’s hope so, my Brexit party vote went in the post tonight. Airmail from Benners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Traf said: Airmail from Benners? No Back home now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 46 minutes ago, darwen_white said: The government thought they'd test the water with this election in hope of apathy. They're in for a shock though.. I think there's apathy from everyone with the exception of the leavers. Who are suddenly realising that perhaps the EU isn't quite so undemocratic after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: But what type of EU and rules do you want to remain in? I’ll answer because you wasn’t as per usual, you’ve not a clue, because you don’t know what your signing up for in future and that’s the point. The EU rule changes are determined by all of the members and if they don't suit they get vetoed. You, on the other hand, promised us a WA deal and a great EU trade deal one minute and now you want to take the UK over precipice with no guarantees on anything and you have the cheek to say i am talking bollocks? That's one of your better jokes mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: The EU rule changes are determined by all of the members and if they don't suit they get vetoed. You, on the other hand, promised us a WA deal and a great EU trade deal one minute and now you want to take the UK over precipice with no guarantees on anything and you have the cheek to say i am talking bollocks? That's one of your better jokes mate No they don’t get vetoed there is a qualifed majority voting, in other words if we don’t agree we can’t veto we have to suck it up. You don’t even know the rules of the union you hold dear. Edited May 13, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) Bollocks isn't obscene. https://dangerousminds.net/comments/rumpole_novelist_john_mortimer_defends_sex_pistols_in_bollocks_trial_1977 So us snowflakes on here who've daubed it on our kids haven't contravened any law or propriety. Edited May 13, 2019 by Youri McAnespie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: No they don’t get vetoed there is a qualifed majority voting, in other words if we don’t agree we can’t veto we have to suck it up. You don’t even know the rules of the union you hold dear. All the big issues need everyone to vote for it. If you want to include on matters deemed less important it is practical to have majority voting Not all EU decisions affecting the UK can be passed against its wishes. Some important issues can only be decided if every country voting agrees. These areas include foreign affairs, taxation, justice and the EU budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: All the big issues need everyone to vote for it. If you want to include on matters deemed less important it is practical to have majority voting Not all EU decisions affecting the UK can be passed against its wishes. Some important issues can only be decided if every country voting agrees. These areas include foreign affairs, taxation, justice and the EU budget. This section presents the former qualified majority voting systems employed in the Council of the European Union, and its predecessor institutions. While some policy areas require unanimity among Council members, for selected policy areas qualified majority voting has existed right from the start. All major treaties have shifted some policy areas from unanimity to qualified majority voting. So your wrong again as per usual, normal service resumed. Edited May 13, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted May 13, 2019 Moderators Share Posted May 13, 2019 Some policy areas Not the biggies Which is what ST said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: This section presents the former qualified majority voting systems employed in the Council of the European Union, and its predecessor institutions. While some policy areas require unanimity among Council members, for selected policy areas qualified majority voting has existed right from the start. All major treaties have shifted some policy areas from unanimity to qualified majority voting. So your wrong again as per usual, normal service resumed. What does "some policy areas require unanimity" mean in your language? So you complain about rules and regulation which are designed to avoid the extremes and you want to jump off the cliff with nothing guranteed. That is playing russian roulette with our economy and i bet you wouldn't risk your own pension pot on it so why risk others Edited May 13, 2019 by Salford Trotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Casino said: Some policy areas Not the biggies Which is what ST said What part of all major treaties shifted from unanimity to qualified majority voting. is not the biggies? Edited May 14, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 9 hours ago, Salford Trotter said: What does "some policy areas require unanimity" mean in your language? So you complain about rules and regulation which are designed to avoid the extremes and you want to jump off the cliff with nothing guranteed. That is playing russian roulette with our economy and i bet you wouldn't risk your own pension pot on it so why risk others “All major treaties have shifted some policy areas from unanimity to qualified majority voting” that clearly means we don’t have any veto on major treaties. You are delusional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: “All major treaties have shifted some policy areas from unanimity to qualified majority voting” that clearly means we don’t have any veto on major treaties. You are delusional. I suppose it depends which policy areas. If it's 'what does a logo look like' or 'what gsm photocopier paper shall we use' it's probably not a bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, kent_white said: I suppose it depends which policy areas. If it's 'what does a logo look like' or 'what gsm photocopier paper shall we use' it's probably not a bad idea. FFS it says All major treaties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: FFS it says All major treaties. Council of the EU Unanimity The Council has to vote unanimously on a number of matters which the member states consider to be sensitive. For example: common foreign and s 8ecurity policy (with the exception of certain clearly defined cases which require qualified majority, e.g. appointment of a special representative) citizenship (the granting of new rights to EU citizens) EU membership harmonisation of national legislation on indirect taxation EU finances (own resources, the multiannual financial framework) certain provisions in the field of justice and home affairs (the European prosecutor, family law, operational police cooperation, etc.) harmonisation of national legislation in the field of social security and social protection. In addition, the Council is required to vote unanimously to diverge from the Commission proposal when the Commission is unable to agree to the amendments made to its proposal. This rule does not apply to acts that need to be adopted by the Council on a Commission recommendation, for example, acts in the area of economic coordination. Under unanimous voting, abstention does not prevent a decision from being taken. When it came to signing the free trade deal with Canada even regional governments within countries had to agree... Trade is another important aspect of EU foreign policy, but here things are more complex. The European Commission has the power to negotiate free trade agreements on behalf of the member states, but the final decision is in the hands of the individual governments. EU free trade agreements are approved by qualified majority, though unanimity is required in cases that include trade in services; direct foreign investments; audiovisual and cultural services; social, educational and health services; and intellectual property. In some cases, even the national and regional parliaments of the member states have to be consulted, and those discussions further complicate the process. Edited May 14, 2019 by Salford Trotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) As per Lisbon treaty. Can we now both agree there is no veto on most areas, unlike you assumed. Policy areasEdit The EU has competence to make decisions only in those areas specified in the Treaties. Competence can be exclusive, joint with national governments, or supporting, with national governments having lead competence.[25] The Lisbon Treaty added some policies to the responsibility of the European Union. Moreover, qualified majority voting (QMV) was extended to policy areas that required unanimity according to the Nice Treaty. The new areas of QMV are:[26][27] Area Nice Lisbon Reference Initiatives of the High Representative for Foreign Affairs Unanimity QMV following unanimous request 15b TEU Rules concerning the Armaments Agency Unanimity QMV 28D§2 TEU Freedom to establish a business Unanimity QMV 50 TFEU Self-employment access rights Unanimity QMV 50 TFEU Freedom, security and justice – cooperation and evaluation Unanimity QMV 70 TFEU Border checks Unanimity QMV 77 TFEU Asylum Unanimity QMV 78 TFEU Immigration Unanimity QMV 79 TFEU Crime prevention incentives Unanimity QMV 69c TFEU Eurojust Unanimity QMV 69d TFEU Police cooperation Unanimity QMV 69f TFEU Europol Unanimity QMV 69g TFEU Transport Unanimity QMV 71§2 TFEU European Central Bank Unanimity QMV (in part) 129 TFEU, 283 TFEU Culture Unanimity QMV 151 TFEU Structural and Cohension Funds Unanimity QMV 161 TFEU Organisation of the Council of the European Union Unanimity QMV 201b TFEU European Court of Justice Unanimity QMV 245, 224a, 225a TFEU Freedom of movement for workers Unanimity QMV 46 TFEU Social security Unanimity QMV 48 TFEU Criminal judicial cooperation Unanimity QMV 69a TFEU Criminal law Unanimity QMV 69b TFEU President of the European Councilelection (New item) QMV 9b§5 TEU Foreign Affairs High Representative election (New item) QMV 9e§1 TEU Funding the Common Foreign and Security Policy Unanimity QMV 28 TEU Common defense policy Unanimity QMV 28e TEU Withdrawal of a member state (new item) QMV 49a TEU General economic interest services Unanimity QMV 16 TFEU Diplomatic and consular protection Unanimity QMV 20 TFEU Citizens initiative regulations Unanimity QMV 21 TFEU Intellectual property Unanimity QMV 97a TFEU Eurozone external representation Unanimity QMV 115c TFEU Sport Unanimity QMV 149 TFEU Space Unanimity QMV 172a TFEU Energy Unanimity QMV 176a TFEU Tourism Unanimity QMV 176b TFEU Civil protection Unanimity QMV 176c TFEU Administrative cooperation Unanimity QMV 176d TFEU Emergency international aid Unanimity QMV 188i TFEU Humanitarian aid Unanimity QMV 188j TFEU Response to natural disasters or terrorism (new item) QMV 188R§3 TFEU Economic and Social Committee QMV QMV 256a TFEU Committee of the Regions Unanimity QMV 256a TFEU Economic and Social Committee Unanimity QMV 256a TFEU The EU budget Unanimity QMV 269 TFEU Edited May 14, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: As per Lisbon treaty. Can we now both agree there is no veto on most areas, unlike you assumed. Policy areasEdit The EU has competence to make decisions only in those areas specified in the Treaties. Competence can be exclusive, joint with national governments, or supporting, with national governments having lead competence.[25] The Lisbon Treaty added some policies to the responsibility of the European Union. Moreover, qualified majority voting (QMV) was extended to policy areas that required unanimity according to the Nice Treaty. The new areas of QMV are:[26][27] Area Nice Lisbon Reference Initiatives of the High Representative for Foreign Affairs Unanimity QMV following unanimous request 15b TEU Rules concerning the Armaments Agency Unanimity QMV 28D§2 TEU Freedom to establish a business Unanimity QMV 50 TFEU Self-employment access rights Unanimity QMV 50 TFEU Freedom, security and justice – cooperation and evaluation Unanimity QMV 70 TFEU Border checks Unanimity QMV 77 TFEU Asylum Unanimity QMV 78 TFEU Immigration Unanimity QMV 79 TFEU Crime prevention incentives Unanimity QMV 69c TFEU Eurojust Unanimity QMV 69d TFEU Police cooperation Unanimity QMV 69f TFEU Europol Unanimity QMV 69g TFEU Transport Unanimity QMV 71§2 TFEU European Central Bank Unanimity QMV (in part) 129 TFEU, 283 TFEU Culture Unanimity QMV 151 TFEU Structural and Cohension Funds Unanimity QMV 161 TFEU Organisation of the Council of the European Union Unanimity QMV 201b TFEU European Court of Justice Unanimity QMV 245, 224a, 225a TFEU Freedom of movement for workers Unanimity QMV 46 TFEU Social security Unanimity QMV 48 TFEU Criminal judicial cooperation Unanimity QMV 69a TFEU Criminal law Unanimity QMV 69b TFEU President of the European Councilelection (New item) QMV 9b§5 TEU Foreign Affairs High Representative election (New item) QMV 9e§1 TEU Funding the Common Foreign and Security Policy Unanimity QMV 28 TEU Common defense policy Unanimity QMV 28e TEU Withdrawal of a member state (new item) QMV 49a TEU General economic interest services Unanimity QMV 16 TFEU Diplomatic and consular protection Unanimity QMV 20 TFEU Citizens initiative regulations Unanimity QMV 21 TFEU Intellectual property Unanimity QMV 97a TFEU Eurozone external representation Unanimity QMV 115c TFEU Sport Unanimity QMV 149 TFEU Space Unanimity QMV 172a TFEU Energy Unanimity QMV 176a TFEU Tourism Unanimity QMV 176b TFEU Civil protection Unanimity QMV 176c TFEU Administrative cooperation Unanimity QMV 176d TFEU Emergency international aid Unanimity QMV 188i TFEU Humanitarian aid Unanimity QMV 188j TFEU Response to natural disasters or terrorism (new item) QMV 188R§3 TFEU Economic and Social Committee QMV QMV 256a TFEU Committee of the Regions Unanimity QMV 256a TFEU Economic and Social Committee Unanimity QMV 256a TFEU The EU budget Unanimity QMV 269 TFEU On most areas but not the important ones..... Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: On most areas but not the important ones..... Agreed You just can’t admit it.😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted May 14, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted May 14, 2019 None of that's important? Begs the question why are they bothering then? Fuck it off, keep the money and do it ourselves. Simply agree suitable trade policy with other countries. Simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: None of that's important? Begs the question why are they bothering then? Fuck it off, keep the money and do it ourselves. Simply agree suitable trade policy with other countries. Simple. He now knows important treaty’s and decisions are made QMV and so there is no veto he just can’t bring himself to admit it. He’s blinded by his loyalty to the EU and his anger at the U.K. public voting to leave, he is the worst kind of remainer one who will not accept the will of the people and seeks to overturn democracy. All while he fails to understand the full powers the EU holds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: You just can’t admit it.😂 I am trying to bring the discussion to a close.. You have said "most" several times and i have said "most but not all" so if i am being honest i think we are both right and wrong in equal measures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: He now knows important treaty’s and decisions are made QMV and so there is no veto he just can’t bring himself to admit it. He’s blinded by his loyalty to the EU and his anger at the U.K. public voting to leave, he is the worst kind of remainer one who will not accept the will of the people and seeks to overturn democracy. All while he fails to understand the full powers the EU holds. That is not correct Mounts by your own admission... Please explain why the Canada free trade deal (a really major treaty) had to be approved by regional governments in Belgium then? It had to be an unanimous vote, not a qualified majority vote. They could have vetoed the whole thing Edited May 14, 2019 by Salford Trotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.