Salford Trotter Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Winchester White said: It really is a mess. Thing is, this is only a withdrawal agreement, it isn't a deal on what is to come permanent. That has yet to be even discussed! No one bar a very few, really understood the complexities of leaving the EU before the referendum. And those that did were not prominent enough, ignored or dismissed. Yet we the joe public were supposed to know all the pros and cons and vote on it with all the political bullshit presented on both sides. All we have is more and more entrenchment and folk calling each other stupid names because folk are arguing against their stance. Cameron has a lot to answer for the shiny faced cuntpipe. Exactly the point that those desperate to leave cannot or won't acknowledge because it strengthens the case for a second referendum which they would lose. This is a complete shit shower and is not getting any clearer nor are we getting closer to a solution. If Boris gets elected then the whole situation would get worse as there is no way we will leave without a deal with the current maths in parliament, even less so after a GE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 22 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: Is that the same deal that you wouldn't sign unless there are changes to the irish backstop? Is that the same deal that is almost universally described as "worse than staying in the EU"? Parliament has to agree the deal first then agree to a second referendum. Can’t see both of the above happening though so it’s a moot point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Farrelli said: LDs, SNP, Labour. 3 main parties, 😂🤣😂SNP got 3 seats in EU elections, liberals have 12 MPs in parliament and no one got a clue what labours position is. Edited June 10, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: 3 main parties, 😂🤣😂SNP got 3 seats in EU elections, liberals have 12 MPs in parliament and no one got a clue what labours position is. Conservatives have 11 leadership candidates all with different views on best way forward. By best way forward I mean best way to get themselves elected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ani said: Conservatives have 11 leadership candidates all with different views on best way forward. By best way forward I mean best way to get themselves elected. Aye and they’ll pick one and hopefully one who’s going to take it to the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Aye and they’ll pick one and hopefully one who’s going to take it to the EU. Can't wait to see just how good the new leader will be in getting fundamental changes made to the crass WA. I won't be holding my breath that's for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 58 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: 3 main parties, 😂🤣😂SNP got 3 seats in EU elections, liberals have 12 MPs in parliament and no one got a clue what labours position is. 293 MPs between them. So that's 293 more than the brexit party👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Farrelli said: 293 MPs between them. So that's 293 more than the brexit party👍 Labour haven’t a clue where they stand. And if they stand on that in a GE which I hope they do they’ll get obliterated in the North and Midlands. Edited June 10, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted June 10, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted June 10, 2019 Labour are a shambles. Tories are a shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said: Labour haven’t a clue where they stand. Which should give the tories a free run at sorting brexit but they've fucked it up at every turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, frank_spencer said: Which should give the tories a free run at sorting brexit but they've fucked it up at every turn. That’s why they’re having a leadership election. Meanwhile Jeremy fiddles while labour burns. Edited June 10, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Labour haven’t a clue where they stand. And if they stand on that in a GE which I hope they do they’ll get obliterated in the North and Midlands. Most labour mps are now behind a confirmatory referendum on any deal going forward. Corbyn can remain ambiguous but his party are very clear about their wishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Most labour mps are now behind a confirmatory referendum on any deal going forward. Corbyn can remain ambiguous but his party are very clear about their wishes. Before that happens it would have to pass through parliament, seeing as parliament already fucked off a second referendum, what’s options will be on this confirmatory vote that you think will get through parliament? Edited June 10, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 27 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Labour haven’t a clue where they stand. And if they stand on that in a GE which I hope they do they’ll get obliterated in the North and Midlands. If we have a GE tomorrow how do you realistically see the split of the parties? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Before that happens it would have to pass through parliament, seeing as parliament already fucked off a second referendum, what’s options will be on this confirmatory vote that you think will get through parliament? Sense will prevail as 'no deal' is definitely not what mps want. Therefore, there will either be a GE and/or second referendum. Edited June 10, 2019 by Farrelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 28 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: That’s why they’re having a leadership election. Meanwhile Jeremy fiddles while labour burns. The new Tory leader is largely irrelevant. They will not achieve anything useful from further EU discussions and will be out voted in parliament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Sense will prevail as 'no deal' is definitely not what mps want. Therefore, there will either be a GE and/or second referendum. Leavers are in denial that No Deal is not possible, it simply won't happen without changing the parliamentary arithmetic and if there is a GE then a second referendum is a distinct possibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted June 10, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted June 10, 2019 What the hell is going to happen before during and after 31st Oct? There is no negotiating team to talk to in Brussels anymore. If we get to the point of crashing out then Parliament will force the PM to request another extention. I can only see the new PM renaming TMs withdrawal agreement and trying to get it through a vote. Weird times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: Leavers are in denial that No Deal is not possible, it simply won't happen without changing the parliamentary arithmetic and if there is a GE then a second referendum is a distinct possibility Yes they seem to be but do they not understand this after three years ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Farrelli said: Yes they seem to be but do they not understand this after three years ? You'd think so but apparently not, strange times indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 59 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: If we have a GE tomorrow how do you realistically see the split of the parties? I’ve no idea but I suspect it’ll be hung parliament and we’re back to where we are now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted June 10, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: Before that happens it would have to pass through parliament, seeing as parliament already fucked off a second referendum, what’s options will be on this confirmatory vote that you think will get through parliament? The Withdrawal Agreement and No Deal have been fucked off multiple times too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 57 minutes ago, Farrelli said: The new Tory leader is largely irrelevant. They will not achieve anything useful from further EU discussions and will be out voted in parliament. I think it’s likely Johnson will win the leadership battle and I fully expect him to re-open negotiations with the EU and hopefully common sense will finally prevail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Just now, Mounts Kipper said: I think it’s likely Johnson will win the leadership battle and I fully expect him to re-open negotiations with the EU and hopefully common sense will finally prevail. Will he be taking his water cannons for the negotiations ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Just now, Farrelli said: Will he be taking his water cannons for the negotiations ? No, they’ve been scrapped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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