What is that "mate" of mine Sadiq Khan trying to achieve ?

 

You lost you demented little cretin, get over it and concentrate on your job you terrorist sympathiser.

Farage really is a cnut

Farage really is a cnut

Your list is growing but you have finally found the genuine article.

I doubt that the 3m EU migrants started off living here in Social Housing

 

I’d wager a couple of bit coins that the vast majority start in private rented accommodation

Majority of which will be ex social housing or old mill housing built for the working class.

Go to the places in the home counties and there's a distinct lack of social housing which is where the immigrants will be living in the start of their time in the UK.

Living amongst the working class and dole class who feel like the 'invaders' are getting an unfair advantage.

 

In reality immigration isn't the problem it's how the country manages it.

 

As NiC has said people are feeling like their life is in the shit and are desperate for a scapegoat.

 

Then career politician hating Nigel Farage uses his many year political career and joins up with a few other like minded souls to push an agenda against the beaurocrats in the EU

 

It’s also interesting to see the breakdown of how London boroughs voted. In that those places that were poorest, with the highest levels of first and second generation immigrants voted to stay, but it was closer in my borough of Bromley where it resembled the voting in the more affluent home counties.

 

There is a fundamental issue with the balance of the economy in the UK, investment in not just the North but in regional towns across the UK needs to be made, and in the Home Counties and London there is a real housing crisis. If you are earning a decent wage, but can’t afford to buy a home in a town like Crawley (historically a new working class town) because it’s too expensive and you can’t even save for a deposit as rents are high and a great deal of your wage is also used to travel into work (at last check over 4K a year) then either you are feeling left behind in towns were no economic investment is being made or put above because work every hour that god sends and every year you seem to have less money without a hope of getting a mortgage. The benefits of globalisation feel an awfully long way away.

 

To say that this is solely the fault of the EU, even with the needs for reforms (and no one is saying it is or was perfect - again it’s not that black and white) seems very strange to me and a massive oversimplification of some of the real issues of division in our country. Again, why single issue referendums are generally not a good thing. But I don’t see the EU really as the issue, it’s almost as if it was a scapegoat for the scapegoat of the issue of immigration!

 

Again, I’m not saying there haven’t been issues - when local government funding has been slashed because of a policy of austerity following a global financial crisis - who would blame those towns seeking to even provide the basics to get extra money for being a gateway town? And whoever thought that would lead to social cohesion needs their heads felt.

 

Some towns have made it work to a point, around here Margate and Folkestone have used cultural capital for regeration, however you can argue that that’s just middle class gentrification masking other problems, but their town’s economy is doing well, Margate especially.

 

Which - as was mentioned above - is a rather long winded way of looking at a few areas (not even looking at health or education) where even just pulling up the rock a bit shows how complex this is with many layers of interdependencies that a simple yes/no question of whether we are part of a union of nations will never be able to answer nor to solve.

It’s also interesting to see the breakdown of how London boroughs voted. In that those places that were poorest, with the highest levels of first and second generation immigrants voted to stay, but it was closer in my borough of Bromley where it resembled the voting in the more affluent home counties.

 

There is a fundamental issue with the balance of the economy in the UK, investment in not just the North but in regional towns across the UK needs to be made, and in the Home Counties and London there is a real housing crisis. If you are earning a decent wage, but can’t afford to buy a home in a town like Crawley (historically a new working class town) because it’s too expensive and you can’t even save for a deposit as rents are high and a great deal of your wage is also used to travel into work (at last check over 4K a year) then either you are feeling left behind in towns were no economic investment is being made or put above because work every hour that god sends and every year you seem to have less money without a hope of getting a mortgage. The benefits of globalisation feel an awfully long way away.

 

To say that this is solely the fault of the EU, even with the needs for reforms (and no one is saying it is or was perfect - again it’s not that black and white) seems very strange to me and a massive oversimplification of some of the real issues of division in our country. Again, why single issue referendums are generally not a good thing. But I don’t see the EU really as the issue, it’s almost as if it was a scapegoat for the scapegoat of the issue of immigration!

 

Again, I’m not saying there haven’t been issues - when local government funding has been slashed because of a policy of austerity following a global financial crisis - who would blame those towns seeking to even provide the basics to get extra money for being a gateway town? And whoever thought that would lead to social cohesion needs their heads felt.

 

Some towns have made it work to a point, around here Margate and Folkestone have used cultural capital for regeration, however you can argue that that’s just middle class gentrification masking other problems, but their town’s economy is doing well, Margate especially.

 

Which - as was mentioned above - is a rather long winded way of looking at a few areas (not even looking at health or education) where even just pulling up the rock a bit shows how complex this is with many layers of interdependencies that a simple yes/no question of whether we are part of a union of nations will never be able to answer nor to solve.

It's half past 7 in the bastard morning! On a Saturday! :-)

I’m full of man flu, finished my latest book, even the kids are still in bed....I’m bored!

EU vote was much more than a singles issue vote, immigration was a big player but no where near the top of my reasons for wanting to leave, but is the one issue that the EU could have nipped in the bud quite easily, but in their arrogance they chose not to and are now paying a heavy price.

I’m full of man flu, finished my latest book, even the kids are still in bed....I’m bored!

Im surprised by your comments on folkestone and Margate NIC? Be it I've not been for a long time but both were dumps. What's changed?

EU vote was much more than a singles issue vote, immigration was a big player but no where near the top of my reasons for wanting to leave, but is the one issue that the EU could have nipped in the bud quite easily, but in their arrogance they chose not to and are now paying a heavy price.

So you are suggesting that the EU would just allow the UK not to have freedom of movement yet all the other EU countries would have to abide by EU law? And that is easy?

Im surprised by your comments on folkestone and Margate NIC? Be it I've not been for a long time but both were dumps. What's changed?

After run down areas are regenerated by the private sector you get the usual suspects and those basically jealous of folk with a few quid complaining about the gentrification.

Im surprised by your comments on folkestone and Margate NIC? Be it I've not been for a long time but both were dumps. What's changed?

Margate’s regeneration started with the Tate, with cheap housing close to London for people to buy. Dreamland then had Council and independent investment and re branded as a sort of Coney Island old fashioned fun fair - then started to attract live gigs - Gorillza’s recently played there. Anyway, it’s sort of become a bit Shoreditch by the sea.

 

Folkestone’s profess has been slower but has stemmed a lot from Saga boss Roger De Hann’s philanthropic investment in the town. The centre is very attractive and he worked to build an education facility and arts school. This summer they had the second triennial which had national coverage, and there is the new haboirside being built.

 

So two sorts of examples - both funded and philanthropic commercial investment- they both have issues still and that is not to say that this is always a solution. Again house prices are rising, there is still massive social issues in east Kent coastal towns, and as I said is gentrification a solution or does it exacerbate the problem? These are all understandable and valid questions, but there is investment in the towns and young people are choosing to stay and build lives and careers there (indeed we are looking at Folkestone has a possibility for a bigger house - although I’m not that young!) sadly it’s the opposite in many regional towns.

Interesting stuff and good to see towns don't have to stay as the status quo and that things can improve.

After run down areas are regenerated by the private sector you get the usual suspects and those basically jealous of folk with a few quid complaining about the gentrification.

If you’d live in a town all your life and now you are priced out of the market because of more affluent people coming from out of town buying houses due to state funded development without sufficant provision for social housing, I’m sure any of us wouldn’t be that pleased.

Sorry, bit remiss, forgot to add that the east Kent coast has had over 20 million quid in investment from the EU including the Turner centre and creative quarter in Margate along with significant investment in the high speed rail link up to London.

If you’d live in a town all your life and now you are priced out of the market because of more affluent people coming from out of town buying houses due to state funded development without sufficant provision for social housing, I’m sure any of us wouldn’t be that pleased.

There's essentially little difference between that argument and the one posed by folk about "white flight". One's about others having £'s, one's about others having brown faces.

Sorry, bit remiss, forgot to add that the east Kent coast has had over 20 million quid in investment from the EU including the Turner centre and creative quarter in Margate along with significant investment in the high speed rail link up to London.

 

No, it hasn't

 

It might have received £20m from the EU, but that's essentially gifting out our money, making the EU look good.

No, it hasn't

 

It might have received £20m from the EU, but that's essentially gifting out our money, making the EU look good.

Gifting out our money is match funding is it? Well, it’s a particularly bleak and well fundamentally wrong viewpoint but if that’s what you think.

There's essentially little difference between that argument and the one posed by folk about "white flight". One's about others having £'s, one's about others having brown faces.

Exactly, that’s entirely the point I was making. Interesting isn’t it? Fear of immigration, fear of issues of gentrification, fear of change? development? Of not benefiting from what is being hailed as progress?

 

As you see, it’s intractability comes from the social complexity - it’s not faceless bureaucracy in the EU being a singular problem.

Im surprised by your comments on folkestone and Margate NIC? Be it I've not been for a long time but both were dumps. What's changed?

Summer holidays for 2 or 3 years in the mid 70s consisted of two weeks playing cricket on folkestone beach

 

Fantastic spot

So you are suggesting that the EU would just allow the UK not to have freedom of movement yet all the other EU countries would have to abide by EU law? And that is easy?

I see no reason that freedom of movement should be compulsory for any country it’s utterly ridiculous that the EU has this deman as of one of its key principals of being a member, it’s idiotic beyond belief but fuck um it’s given us the opportunity to leave and for that I’m very grateful.????

Edited December 17, 20178 yr by Mounts Kipper

One for NiC

 

We aren't racists, a survey says

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5156505/brexit-voters-leave-not-racist-immigration-eu/

One for NiC

 

We aren't racists, a survey says

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5156505/brexit-voters-leave-not-racist-immigration-eu/

 

 

Never doubted any of that.It's just a typical leftie jibe they resort to every time when they have no other ammo to fire.

 

I believe the British to be some of the most tolerant on the planet - certainly more tolerant than most of the countries in the Middle East.

 

I would even go as far as to say most of us would be happy to export some of our indigenous, workshy, trouble making scrotes and replace them one for one with hard working, full of goodwill and happy to be given the opportunity citizens of any colour, creed or sexuality.

 

No doubt this makes me some other as yet unidentified '-ist' which I'm sure our red flag singing friends will come up with.

One for NiC

 

We aren't racists, a survey says

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5156505/brexit-voters-leave-not-racist-immigration-eu/

No one said you were.

 

I think I’ve outlined that pretty clearly above again and again. Obviously not clearly enough.

 

Anyone would think you extreme leave brigade were a bit sensitive or reactionist is some way.

Never doubted any of that.It's just a typical leftie jibe they resort to every time when they have no other ammo to fire.

 

I believe the British to be some of the most tolerant on the planet - certainly more tolerant than most of the countries in the Middle East.

 

I would even go as far as to say most of us would be happy to export some of our indigenous, workshy, trouble making scrotes and replace them one for one with hard working, full of goodwill and happy to be given the opportunity citizens of any colour, creed or sexuality.

 

No doubt this makes me some other as yet unidentified '-ist' which I'm sure our red flag singing friends will come up with.

Woosh!

Summer holidays for 2 or 3 years in the mid 70s consisted of two weeks playing cricket on folkestone beach

 

Fantastic spot

Yeah - bit of a hidden gem are Folkestone beaches, Sunny Sands or below the Leas. They get busy but not as much as Broadstairs. Had a lovely time swimming there this year right up until end of October. Certainly beats a crammed Brockwell Park Lido!