What is that "mate" of mine Sadiq Khan trying to achieve ?

 

You lost you demented little cretin, get over it and concentrate on your job you terrorist sympathiser.

Anyone else think DD comes across like a massive bell?

 

I wouldn't let him negotiate our office stationary order.

I think, no matter what "side" you are on, you have to admit that DD isn't inspiring confidence

Precisely - and we're substantially less influential now than we were 18 months ago. Negligible. I was referring to the slow decline over the last century.

 

Without an empire our best shot at continuing to punch above our weight was helping to shape the direction of the EU from the inside and acting as a mediator across the Atlantic. Now we've voted ourselves into an increasingly insignificant position. Disagree. We always will punch above our weight for obvious reasons (i.e. what we have given to the world). Rather than a mediator across the Atlantic the Transatlantic ties should be made even closer so that we are the USA's pied a terre in Europe.

 

Hopefully I'll be proved wrong about this and we're on the cusp of a glorious new age. Very likely to happen in my view. Sometimes I allow myself to indulge in that fantasy but then remember that it's not 1922 anymore! :-) After 'fantasy' you should have said 'but then my socialist leanings kick in and I return to being an uninspired pessimist of the many, not the few'.

 

Funny how folk can see things from 180 degree opposite perspectives

I knew irony was too much for your old brain.

 

 

If you were within reach I would introduce some iron to your brain with my Zimmer frame.

Steady on old boy, you'll give yourself a funny turn.

I think, no matter what "side" you are on, you have to admit that DD isn't inspiring confidence

 

and that's how Cameron became Conservative leader - his opponent was Davis, who gave a truly awful speech before the vote.

Funny how folk can see things from 180 degree opposite perspectives

How can we act as the USA's 'Pied-a-terre' in Europe when we've just removed our own foot from the door?

 

And I wouldn't necessarily describe myself as a Socialist - more of a pragmatist. I'd quite happily accept rampant free market capitalism if it meant we all ended up being better off as a result.

 

We might well end up making a success of things - providing we get the right inspirational leader in place (no sign of that happening at the moment tbough). But surely even you'd have to admit that our circumstances are less favourable than they have been at any time in the past few hundred years?

Democracy in action tonight reinforcing the Sovereignty of our Parliament

To every MP who voted for amendment 7, well done for taking back control. Got to love a democratically elected sovereign parliament, haven’t you?

 

Looks like we might be finally be able to end the year with some common sense being brought back into public discourse.

All it does is bring the concept of walking with no deal closer to reality

If that’s a positive then you’ve lost me I’m afraid

All it does is bring the concept of walking with no deal closer to reality

If that’s a positive then you’ve lost me I’m afraid

He’s happy because he wants to stop Brexit and this strengthens the EUs Hand because it’s now possible to stop it by offering the worst deal possible in the knowledge Parliament might vote against the deal being ratified.

Edited December 13, 20178 yr by Mounts Kipper

All it does is bring the concept of walking with no deal closer to reality

If that’s a positive then you’ve lost me I’m afraid

There's hasn't been one single positive in the whole charade.

 

Who the fuck still thinks any of this is a good idea?

 

And more to the point how could nobody see it would go this way?

 

The government is in chaos. We don't have a single party or leader capable of leading us out of the EU.

There's hasn't been one single positive in the whole charade.

 

Who the fuck still thinks any of this is a good idea?

 

And more to the point how could nobody see it would go this way?

 

The government is in chaos. We don't have a single party or leader capable of leading us out of the EU.

Europe is far wealthier and bigger than us. In any other walk of life there would only be one winner.

 

Come on David and not goliath

 

Our davids have been rubbish so far

Edited December 13, 20178 yr by tomski

All it does is bring the concept of walking with no deal closer to reality

If that’s a positive then you’ve lost me I’m afraid

That’s apparently easily done then.

 

It means our elected parliament get to check through any deal - not just cabinet.

 

A deal at any cost is foolish.

 

If you can’t see that, then I’d leave it be.

He’s happy because he wants to stop Brexit and this strengthens the EUs Hand because it’s now possible to stop it by offering the worst deal possible in the knowledge Parliament might vote against the deal being ratified.

Or it brings the whole sorry process into accountability.

 

Even Brexit supporting Conservatives voted against the government. If you are really that blindsided to railroad anything through, however harmful the checks and balances of our parliamentary system will always bring such tumpthuming populist rhetoric to heel.

 

Pity it’s been allowed to fester so long.

 

You should be celebrating, this is what you’ve been banging on about since the summer!

Tory Rebel Steph Hammond the Vice Chairman been sacked.

Or it brings the whole sorry process into accountability.

 

Even Brexit supporting Conservatives voted against the government. If you are really that blindsided to railroad anything through, however harmful the checks and balances of our parliamentary system will always bring such tumpthuming populist rhetoric to heel.

 

Pity it’s been allowed to fester so long.

 

You should be celebrating, this is what you’ve been banging on about since the summer!

Bang on.

That’s apparently easily done then.

 

It means our elected parliament get to check through any deal - not just cabinet.

 

A deal at any cost is foolish.

 

If you can’t see that, then I’d leave it be.

The day I listen to and heed your advice would be a sad day for me but thanks for the input

 

I don’t recall saying a deal at any cost is anything but foolish I just feel now we will end up in a situation, where due to utter incompetence alround, we leave the EU (which is happening) without any deal which would be even more foolish

There’s no denying it’s great to watch

Daily Mail not happy.

The day I listen to and heed your advice would be a sad day for me but thanks for the input

 

I don’t recall saying a deal at any cost is anything but foolish I just feel now we will end up in a situation, where due to utter incompetence alround, we leave the EU (which is happening) without any deal which would be even more foolish

We will leave with a deal, of that i have no doubt but all this vote means it is more highly likely that we will get a softer brexit. Most UK business will be delighted with this result but the fudged deal last week almost pointed to a soft brexit anyway so it should not come as a surprise.

Edited December 14, 20178 yr by Salford Trotter

Mounts predicted this. It'll be fine. We hold all the cards.

I can see that happening also but it clearly isn’t what was voted for by the majority.

 

all this soft/hard brexit ideology only came to light when the vote didn’t go the way it was anticipated and the government started to look for a back door to back track.

 

To be fair to TM she has it appears tried to deliver what the majority wanted but her own fuck up in the election has allowed it to be undermined and derailed and now we’re stuck in no mans land which isn’t good for either remainers or leavers

 

It’s an utter mess and a complete shambles. As has been said on here before David Cameron has a lot to answer for as do previous governments for allowing a majority to be come so disillusioned .

 

I agree with a number of posters on here that all this has done is weakened our position and we are now less influential in any meaning of the word and I for one would have voted to remain if I had known this is where it would end up as it’s a complete waste of time and money for little conceivable benefit now

I think this is exactly what mounts said would happen

 

Await his spin with breath bated

I think this is exactly what mounts said would happen

 

Await his spin with breath bated

We all await the Oracle...please speak to us oh Mighty Mounts

Steady on old boy, you'll give yourself a funny turn.

 

 

Another one? It's them fucking blue tablets I tell thee.