November 1, 20178 yr I can only guess. Doesn’t matter the age, if it’s not consensual then it’s assault, if it’s under 16, it’s illegal, man or woman (by the way Bolts men can fuck men senseless now at 16, knee-tremblers behind the pub after last orders and everything, glory be the modern age - they can also have a right good snog in front of your mush and you can’t do fanny all)
November 1, 20178 yr So making a pass at any 14 yr old as long as you accept you might be rebuffed is acceptable? That's how I read it, I'm assuming he's worded it badly, as surely he doesn't really believe that Edited November 2, 20178 yr by Sweep
November 2, 20178 yr Author Agree with Ani. Lots of things change in context over time but noncing kids isn't one of them. If he has done ought, deserves what's coming. If not then hopefully it all gets sorted Bang on. Kiddy fiddlers should be castrated automatically without any legal recourse (and preferably without any anaesthetic). Different issue to the current explosion of sexual harassment claims. There'll be bandwagon jumpers all over the place if they think there may be some coin in it.
November 2, 20178 yr Author Michael Fallon has resigned. Surely there must be more to come out than him touching someone's knee? Has me perplexed this one. Possible reasons? He holds himself to such high standards he felt compelled to go? There's more skeletons in the cupboard which are far worse that touching JBH's knee? A convenient reason to get out - he does not seem to have been happy in his job in recent times? If the JBH knee incident is the only 'transgression' then resignation seems extreme.
November 2, 20178 yr Author Dustin Hoffman now. This will go on for months. There will be an endless stream of names - the bigger the personality, the more chance of a hefty compo claim or at least being able to sell her story to some voracious media outlet staffed by guttersnipes. Must admit however that the prospect of seeing the Pope or other religious leaders squirm does hold some appeal.
November 2, 20178 yr But if the 14 year had either consented or was too afraid to say no....... Well if that was here or in the US then it wouldn't be on and you should know better - as I said.
November 2, 20178 yr So making a pass at any 14 yr old as long as you accept you might be rebuffed is acceptable? Did you say you worked as a teacher? That's not what I'm saying is it - and steady on! Just that, given the circumstances, i don't think it morally outrages me as, say, a teacher using his or her power to abuse a pre-pubescent minor would!
November 2, 20178 yr Aye it's a point I get. I for one hope it doesn't change anytime soon as it won't increase that age range with a similar age range, I'd suspect it would be young girls with older fellas which again imo benefits nobody I'm not sticking a stake in the ground on this just expressing my opinion that what Spacey did isn't outrageously disgusting to me. Stupid, careless and dangerous, aye. Can't say i'd want the age of consent moving either but am saying that if someone older than 16 sleeps with a sexually willing and mature person who is under the age of 16 then it's very different, imo, to abusing someone against their will. i think folk see that though . . .
November 2, 20178 yr That's not what I'm saying is it - and steady on! Just that, given the circumstances, i don't think it morally outrages me as, say, a teacher using his or her power to abuse a pre-pubescent minor would! This is the second time in a month where you have defended perverts on here.
November 2, 20178 yr That's not what I'm saying is it - and steady on! Just that, given the circumstances, i don't think it morally outrages me as, say, a teacher using his or her power to abuse a pre-pubescent minor would! So a young kid with aspirations to be an actor is asked to have sex with a man who also happens to be an actor is not too bad ? You need to re think your values. It is child abuse because the kid is 14 does not make it more acceptable than if he was 12. You are teacher ? What age group do you teach ? Pop into school today and ask in the staff room if it would be ok for a 25 year bloke to come in at lunch time and ask the kids if they fancy a shag. Remember to reassure them that he won’t force them into but if the beer and drugs aint relaxed them enough it will be fine. A grown man taking a 14 year old kid into his bedroom and trying it on is just wrong. If you need to convince your fellow teachers just show them a Simpson’s video.
November 2, 20178 yr So a young kid with aspirations to be an actor is asked to have sex with a man who also happens to be an actor is not too bad ? You need to re think your values. It is child abuse because the kid is 14 does not make it more acceptable than if he was 12. You are teacher ? What age group do you teach ? Pop into school today and ask in the staff room if it would be ok for a 25 year bloke to come in at lunch time and ask the kids if they fancy a shag. Remember to reassure them that he won’t force them into but if the beer and drugs aint relaxed them enough it will be fine. A grown man taking a 14 year old kid into his bedroom and trying it on is just wrong. - is that what happened? How do you know? I imagine a slightly different scenario but who knows . . . If you need to convince your fellow teachers just show them a Simpson’s video. kin el that's classic WWYs overreacting - please don't question my professional conduct or morality. The point here, which you are blowing way out of proportion, is that we have different levels of where our morality or level of outrage is set. Would you agree? I accept you differ you seem unable to do that. As I've said, many times now, I know legally it is child abuse but as I have also stated - as a separate issue - my lack of outrage on this matter stems from the fact that the age of consent varies which suggests it is a changing moral issue. Your reaction seems to be hysterical moral outrage, mine is more 'tut, tut, tut, Kevin'. Context and intent are big factors for me, in this case particularly the former.
November 2, 20178 yr This is the second time in a month where you have defended perverts on here. Wouldn't say I defended HW; I did say that if women acquiesced of their own free will then it's questionable he did anything wrong (in those instances) other than be a reet slimy cnut. I'm not defending Spacey either, far from it, just that it doesn't 'outrage' me. Wish folk would read. Edited November 2, 20178 yr by madthatter
November 2, 20178 yr Be interesting to the difference in stance on 14 year old girls actively seeking sexual advances in kebab shops. Different situation. fwiw anyone accepting such an offer would be totally wrong. In such cases there is as much an issue with why those girl are in those situations as there is with men willing to take advantage. A 14 year old at a Hollywood party who 'finds himself' in an actors bedroom is very very different, imo.
November 2, 20178 yr kin el that's classic WWYs overreacting - please don't question my professional conduct or morality. The point here, which you are blowing way out of proportion, is that we have different levels of where our morality or level of outrage is set. Would you agree? I accept you differ you seem unable to do that. As I've said, many times now, I know legally it is child abuse but as I have also stated - as a separate issue - my lack of outrage on this matter stems from the fact that the age of consent varies which suggests it is a changing moral issue. Your reaction seems to be hysterical moral outrage, mine is more 'tut, tut, tut, Kevin'. Context and intent are big factors for me, in this case particularly the former. If you come on here saying you a teacher and then spouting shit like this I will question what I want. I accept we have different levels of morals. I think a 24 year old man trying/wanting to have sex with a 14 year old is wrong. You seem to think it is not so bad. I asked what age group you teach as anyone who deals with young teenage kids knows how vulnerable they can be. Hence we have ages below which the principle of consent does not come into the equation. I look forward to you defending Muslim grooming gangs targeting teenage girls.
November 2, 20178 yr This is only a story because he didn't fancy Kevin Spacey I bet he'd have let a 26 year old Brad Pitt bum him
November 2, 20178 yr If you come on here saying you a teacher and then spouting shit like this I will question what I want. I accept we have different levels of morals. I think a 24 year old man trying/wanting to have sex with a 14 year old is wrong. You seem to think it is not so bad. I asked what age group you teach as anyone who deals with young teenage kids knows how vulnerable they can be. Hence we have ages below which the principle of consent does not come into the equation. I look forward to you defending Muslim grooming gangs targeting teenage girls. I get that - but, as I've said many times now, context. I even gave some examples that would change my outlook or moral reaction. I never said it was OK, you've reacted as if I want to sleep with minors or feel it's OK to take advantage - hence the grooming gang quip, cheap shot btw - which is way off my point.
November 2, 20178 yr This is only a story because he didn't fancy Kevin Spacey I bet he'd have let a 26 year old Brad Pitt bum him Careful, Zico
November 2, 20178 yr Different situation. fwiw anyone accepting such an offer would be totally wrong. In such cases there is as much an issue with why those girl are in those situations as there is with men willing to take advantage. A 14 year old at a Hollywood party who 'finds himself' in an actors bedroom is very very different, imo. No it isn't. It really isn't.
November 2, 20178 yr Brad Pitt isn't one of them an' all, is he? He's changed from the days when he would boldly follow his nob anywhere in the pursuit of women, including to the boudoir of the wife of Iron Mike Tyson... Edited November 2, 20178 yr by Youri McAnespie
November 2, 20178 yr If you can't lean over and feel your work colleague's tits, then something has gone wrong with the world
November 2, 20178 yr If you can't lean over and feel your work colleague's tits, then something has gone wrong with the world What if he takes offence though? :-)
November 2, 20178 yr A 14 year old at a Hollywood party who 'finds himself' in an actors bedroom is very very different, imo. It concerns me that you think that, and you're allowed to teach kids
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