Love him or hate him the lads got some nuts, caught this lad a cracker here.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_BNP2y7ELus&feature=youtu.be

Yet your culture still commits the majority of CSE crimes in this country.

 

What are you going to do about it? Why aren't you speaking out? When are white folk going to start shopping their own?

They may commit the majority but it certainly not acceptable, and I'd shop anybody I knew was involved and so would everybody else on this board

 

30 years of gang grooming proves that certain muslim communities have never done this which again is part of the problem

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Well this Moron cares, the issue you don't see is the majority of these Grooming Gangs are Muslim Pakistani-Bangladeshi males & what concerns me is the rest of "Their" communities are not standing up against it. There are not many, if any Imam's saying this is wrong it needs to stop. it will carry on until the leaders, religious or not get to grips with their own. I don't give a shiny shit if their white, black, brown, pink or green with yellow fcukin dots. it needs sorting & if Me marching through London, Birmingham or Manchester makes a difference, then I know I have done my bit. But like I have just said, it needs to come from within.

I think that’s in correct though

 

A few weeks back a video was going round of an Asian guy noncing a young lad

 

A couple of days later a video did the rounds of a load of Asians battering another Asian. Turns out it was the nonce from the first video

 

To say the rest of their communities aren’t standing up against it would be incorrect (in that instance anyway)

 

Funnily enough, TR shared the video of the Asian lads battering the nonce and this is the comment he put with it...

 

“Someone just sent me another example of Birmingham (England's second city) having completely lost control of the streets. How about these bloody politicians stop crying about brexit and fast food and instead focus on making our streets safe.”

 

Funny how he talks a good game about Asian communities doing something about the child abuse but when they do he twists it another way.

 

He’s a complete fucking wanker

Every inquiry after a grooming gang is caught will talk about the authorities acting slowly due to worries about accusations of bias v certain groups.

 

In white culture you can point at high ranking church officials ignoring and covering abuse. Everyone ignoring jimmy saville.

 

None of which means the Muslim community could not and should not do more.

Why don't you answer this:

 

What about the huge amount of child sexual exploitation in the "White British Christian community" - do you think WE have a problem?

What does that have to do with a discussion on Asian grooming gangs targeting British white girls?

 

You render the debate null and void.

They may commit the majority but it certainly not acceptable, and I'd shop anybody I knew was involved and so would everybody else on this board

 

30 years of gang grooming proves that certain muslim communities have never done this which again is part of the problem

We’ve had in our society our culture, hundreds and hundreds of years of covering up child abuse. From scout masters, public schools, Saville etc etc. It’s laughable to suggest otherwise.

We’ve had in our society our culture, hundreds and hundreds of years of covering up child abuse. From scout masters, public schools, Saville etc etc. It’s laughable to suggest otherwise.

I haven't suggested this isn't true, in fact I agree with you

 

But were talking about gang grooming

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There's loads of white folk fucking kids in Thailand/Philippines etc. But it's alright because we've got some vigilantes.

I'd put money on the fact that most of these muslims peadoes which have been brought to justice because of the efforts of folk within their communities as opposed to the likes of Tommy Robinson

 

it's like saying muslim terrorists are problem for the western world when in actual fact they've killed 5 times more muslims than they have white westerners

 

I reckon the vast majority muslims would grass up or turn on a nonce or terrorist, rather than protect them

 

some will turn a blind eye, more often than not through fear, but that is often the case where noncing is concerned for some reason

 

folk need to know they can come forward and grass the cunts up without fear of reprisals and/or the fact that something will actually get done about it, that's the issue here - it was with these gangs, with saville, with bennel, with the church, and pretty much every other noncing story you hear of

The issue is how long this has taken and why? There are 1000s of girls over the last 30 years who ain’t had justice. That’s why folk are fucked off about this issue. You do realise that don’t you?

I think if folk actually stop and think about the reality of what's happening and been happening for years it's too grim to believe. Easier to focus your ire on a white fella who is usually painted as a racist hooligan than the reality that white girls have been systematically targeted for abuse so subhuman it would make Jeffrey dharmer wince and that the authorities there to protect them have failed in such an appalling way.

 

If we all hate Tommy instead it makes the truth much easier to forget.

 

The biggest irony for me is that these attacks are racist as well yet no one apart from tr actually describes them as such. The authorities failed for fear of being racist. Now we are encouraged to see TR as the biggest racist of all . . .

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We’ve had in our society our culture, hundreds and hundreds of years of covering up child abuse. From scout masters, public schools, Saville etc etc. It’s laughable to suggest otherwise.

Nobody has suggested otherwise.

 

That isn’t the debate.

 

Answer yes or no...

 

Is there a problem with Grooming gangs and child exploitation within the Muslim community in this country?

There's loads of white folk fucking kids in Thailand/Philippines etc. But it's alright because we've got some vigilantes.

Why do you think white western men target that particular region?

 

The same reason Muslim grooming gangs target ours.

Edited May 31, 20188 yr by gonzo

Dan, the issue TR was highlighting is the relatively new culture of gang rape/groomingQuilliam Foundation which is a muslim reformist group set up by Majid Newaz. It's funded by the UK government and it's findings are deemed to be accurate by the government.Quiliam did some research on peadophillia and found there are 2 types, type 2 is 90% white males (which represents the 90% white demographic of this country) and it’s single males who go on the internet to download indecent images of children or attempt to groom them through chat rooms, etc. Type 1 is where multiple men who groom then pass round children and it’s 90% muslim men, from a demographic of 5/6% of muslims in this country this is highly disproportionate and worring. Telford and Rotherham reports both highlighted this has been going on for 30 years, it’s predominately the Pakistani communities that this happens, the amount of men involved proves that the Pakistani community knows it’s been going on but nothing has ever been doneSince the EDL highlighted these issues then the arrest rate has gone through the roof and there are these trials going on throughout the country so I see TR involvement in this issue as a positive, he just does about it in the wrong way.You are correct that noncing has been going on for centuries, the Catholic church being a prime example but the gang grooming is new. Imagine somebody coming into the pub on Friday and saying, ‘I’ve got a 12 year old back and my place, do you all fancy coming back and shagging her’ he get filled in and you’d take him to the police station yourself but in certain communities, shagging kids seems acceptable. It needs to be addressed by the people in that community but it’s not been historicallyThe issue Tommy Robinson has is that he’s labelled far right/racist so he isn’t listened to by the media/country in general, perhaps it’s time somebody did and after you scrape away the bollocks of not building mosques, stopping immigration from Islamic countries he actually makes a lot of sense at times

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Another good post. Problem is most can't be arsed scraping away the bollocks or even begin to listen objectively.

 

It also conveniently deflects attention away from the appaling failings of the state.

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Nobody has suggested otherwise.

 

That isn’t the debate.

 

Answer yes or no...

 

Is there a problem with Grooming gangs and child exploitation within the Muslim community in this country?

 

Classic deflection. It's like the 'I know you are but what am I' thing that kids do.

 

Look at the maths - the rates of group rapes among the Islamic community are so much higher than in any other ethnic demographic. That's the whole fcukin reason folk are so annoyed Bwfcfan that and the failure to acknowledge and respond by those that should. Its also that they are targeting mainly whites and some Sikh girls that is concerning. That suggests a deeper social problem in that community than white nonces grooming on line.

Another piece of absolute backwards thinking that reveals everything about the motivation....

 

How many vicars/priests etc are condemning publically the huge number of white british "Christian" men involved in crimes against children? The answer is "why should they". Same goes here.

 

They aren't a secret club. They are just a lot of people who share a religion. Some of those people are bad 'uns. But if white British paedos aren't the responsibility of our church why on earth should Muslim ones be?

Shouldn't any church of any religion play their part in stopping these vile acts?

 

Protecting kids should be right up there?

 

For example those who have been getting collared (forgive my pun) have quite rightly been punished. The shame in it is it's too late.

Classic deflection. It's like the 'I know you are but what am I' thing that kids do.

 

Look at the maths - the rates of group rapes among the Islamic community are so much higher than in any other ethnic demographic. That's the whole fcukin reason folk are so annoyed Bwfcfan that and the failure to acknowledge and respond by those that should. Its also that they are targeting mainly whites and some Sikh girls that is concerning. That suggests a deeper social problem in that community than white nonces grooming on line.

 

single parents?

single parents?

Ha ha! Ironically they probably come from very stable home lives but not a gun in sight.

 

I'm gonna stick my neck out and say those communities will know what's been going on or have their suspicions. Said earlier, if they were doing it to Muslim girls you'd see a very different response I reckon.

Ha ha! Ironically they probably come from very stable home lives but not a gun in sight.

 

I'm gonna stick my neck out and say those communities will know what's been going on or have their suspicions. Said earlier, if they were doing it to Muslim girls you'd see a very different response I reckon.

 

it's too broad to say "those communities"

 

are you saying that every muslim knows what's going on in their community?

 

do you know everything going on with your neighbours and the folk that live on your street? or what all your colleagues, or even pupils, get up to of an evening?

 

probably not

 

no doubt a few other, innocent, muslims know and are too shit scared to say owt, but loads of people do things behind their friends and partners backs without them ever knowing

 

do you really think that almost every muslim down the mosque knows a nonce or a terrorist and says nowt?

Classic deflection. It's like the 'I know you are but what am I' thing that kids do.

 

Look at the maths - the rates of group rapes among the Islamic community are so much higher than in any other ethnic demographic. That's the whole fcukin reason folk are so annoyed Bwfcfan that and the failure to acknowledge and respond by those that should. Its also that they are targeting mainly whites and some Sikh girls that is concerning. That suggests a deeper social problem in that community than white nonces grooming on line.

It suggests there are some criminal gangs, who are possibly 84% Muslim who are responsible.

The data that shows 84% are Asian rather than Muslim per se, showed 222 out of 264 were Asian.

 

222. But apparently that is enough to suggest its a widespread problem across Muslims. That is where the big red flags start to show, when people claim that, but want to make out its a "widespread social problem" but the far more common cse offences committed by mainly white men, are in fact "just isolated incidents."

 

Its all a problem and all needs dealing with. If anyone is trying to suggest it is a specific problem because people are Muslim then that is simply down to their own prejudices and nothing else.

It suggests there are some criminal gangs, who are possibly 84% Muslim who are responsible.

The data that shows 84% are Asian rather than Muslim per se, showed 222 out of 264 were Asian.

 

222. But apparently that is enough to suggest its a widespread problem across Muslims. That is where the big red flags start to show, when people claim that, but want to make out its a "widespread social problem" but the far more common cse offences committed by mainly white men, are in fact "just isolated incidents."

 

Its all a problem and all needs dealing with. If anyone is trying to suggest it is a specific problem because people are Muslim then that is simply down to their own prejudices and nothing else.

Nobody has once suggested that

 

Answer the question.

 

Do you believe there’s a problem with grooming gangs and child exploitation and the targeting of British white girls withing the Muslim community in this country ?

it's too broad to say "those communities"

 

are you saying that every muslim knows what's going on in their community?

 

do you know everything going on with your neighbours and the folk that live on your street? or what all your colleagues, or even pupils, get up to of an evening?

 

probably not

 

no doubt a few other, innocent, muslims know and are too shit scared to say owt, but loads of people do things behind their friends and partners backs without them ever knowing

 

do you really think that almost every muslim down the mosque knows a nonce or a terrorist and says nowt?

I don’t think anyone is aging that, but here’s a classic case from the Rotherham scandal.

 

Scroll down to the bit re Jahangir Ahkbar. At the time he was deputy leader for Rotherham Council.

When folk that high up are shielding folk (namely two relatives who were convicted) then we clearly have a problem.

 

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/driver-may-face-charges-over-crash-death-of-pc-linked-to-rotherham-grooming-scandal-1-7788156

 

Well worth researching that former disgraced twat Jahangir Akhtar....I’m sure we’ll be hearing much more about him in the months ahead.

This is an interesting read

 

http://www.pmclauth.com/sentenced/grooming-gang-statistics/gangs-jailed

I don’t think anyone is aging that

 

madhatter is when he sticks his neck out to say "those communities will know what's been going on or have their suspicions"

 

and these arguments come up so often it's clear some folk on here and plenty out there (the real world, and twitter) think that too

 

that in itself is part of the problem

 

but the problem with grooming gangs and peados in all walks of life is they are allowed to get away with it for far too long and many people are scared of them, either the victims, or those close to the  victims and perpetrators, and too many people with the power to do anything, for some reason,  turn a blind eye

 

the problem needs to be sorted across all "communties"

If you constantly saw underage girls in mens’ cars and going in houses with multiple men it wouldn’t/doesn't take a genius to work out that something isn't right, plus the groomers openly discussed it with their colleagues and friends, it’s in the records that some of the men didn’t even think they had done anything wrong as the girls were consenting, if you watch Canterbury video there’s gangs of girls outside the court at a grooming gang case stating that the men are innocent as the girls were all slags. Fancy your wife turning up at court whilst you were on a noncing charge saying it was the victims fault.

 

There seems to be a different mindset to peadophillia in Pakistani/Kasmir communities. This could well be because in Islamic countries, a girl is ‘coming of age’ once she has had her period so if she was 11 and had a period it’s perfectly acceptable to have sex with her, age doesn’t seem to be a factor. There was an advertisement on TV not very long ago showing a picture of a little girl that said ‘Her only crime is being born a girl, By the time she is 14 she will have had 3 miscarriages and will be pregnant with her second child’ May not be exact but something like that.

 

So this mentally has allowed these gangs to go about unchallenged. There will be many more that’s for sure, when you think that 1,400 children were abused in Rotherham which has a Pakistani/Kashmir population of just under 8,000 so approximately 4,000 men. Probably half of them between 18-50 so 2000 men yet 1400 children victims, you’re not telling me that the community didn’t know what was going on

 

I dread to think what the number will be if/when the likes of Bradford, Bolton etc ever get investigated

it's too broad to say "those communities"

 

are you saying that every muslim knows what's going on in their community?

 

do you know everything going on with your neighbours and the folk that live on your street? or what all your colleagues, or even pupils, get up to of an evening?

 

probably not

 

no doubt a few other, innocent, muslims know and are too shit scared to say owt, but loads of people do things behind their friends and partners backs without them ever knowing

 

do you really think that almost every muslim down the mosque knows a nonce or a terrorist and says nowt?

One thing at a time zico.

 

In answer to you first question, no. It's not that simple but given the close knit nature of Islamic communities I think it's fair to say it's more likely, particularly amongst the men.

 

Do you think if these gangs were targeting Muslim girls you'd see the same response? Be honest now. Or, if it were white guys doing this to Muslims?

 

This issue is about two things for me. Culture and state.

madhatter is when he sticks his neck out to say "those communities will know what's been going on or have their suspicions"

 

and these arguments come up so often it's clear some folk on here and plenty out there (the real world, and twitter) think that too

 

that in itself is part of the problem

 

but the problem with grooming gangs and peados in all walks of life is they are allowed to get away with it for far too long and many people are scared of them, either the victims, or those close to the victims and perpetrators, and too many people with the power to do anything, for some reason, turn a blind eye

 

the problem needs to be sorted across all "communties"

I never said everyone did I? you knew what I meant and I've expained above. If you think I'm wrong fair enough but miamis link gives some clues. I've also spent a fair bit of time in Muslim communities and have a little insight into how the patriarchal nature of those communities works.

Edited May 31, 20188 yr by madthatter