Love him or hate him the lads got some nuts, caught this lad a cracker here.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_BNP2y7ELus&feature=youtu.be

So this mentally has allowed these gangs to go about unchallenged. There will be many more that’s for sure, when you think that 1,400 children were abused in Rotherham which has a Pakistani/Kashmir population of just under 8,000 so approximately 4,000 men. Probably half of them between 18-50 so 2000 men yet 1400 children victims, you’re not telling me that the community didn’t know what was going on

 

the numbers are shocking, but it only takes 20 in a gang to abuse 4 girls each a year for 16 years to get to that number (that is the 1,400 abused between 1997 and 2013

 

and if it's the same 20, that's 1% of the blokes and 0.5% of the "community"

 

and they won't all just be from Rotherham, I'd bet there were guys coming from all round Yorkshire / the North to have a go once they found out

the numbers are shocking, but it only takes 20 in a gang to abuse 4 girls each a year for 16 years to get to that number (that is the 1,400 abused between 1997 and 2013

 

and if it's the same 20, that's 1% of the blokes and 0.5% of the "community"

 

and they won't all just be from Rotherham, I'd bet there were guys coming from all round Yorkshire / the North to have a go once they found out

That's a fair point Zico but the community in which the men operated must have thought something was amiss when a total of 1400 underage girls between 12-16 were hanging round with these men

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-44316315

 

Clearly there is a massive problem in the football community.....Surely thousands of people involved in football clubs and fans knew what was going on but did nothing. Something has to be done about football.....

Do you think if these gangs were targeting Muslim girls you'd see the same response? Be honest now. Or, if it were white guys doing this to Muslims?

 

what response exactly?

 

I think if/when things like this come out and folk are brought to justice, it all kicks off, but until it does, folk are too scared

 

every peado case these days regardless of race seems to follow the same pattern

 

people know, they don't say owt, the victims are too scared, or are ignored, it carries on, it finally comes to a head, and it turns out it was a lot lot worse than had been realised, and people wish they'd said something sooner and other people get angry

 

that's the same response I'd expect no matter what

 

then chuck race or religion in, and some people get even more angry

I never said everyone did I? 

 

no, you said communties but it suggests everyone, which is why I said it was too broad

what response exactly?

 

I think if/when things like this come out and folk are brought to justice, it all kicks off, but until it does, folk are too scared

 

every peado case these days regardless of race seems to follow the same pattern

 

people know, they don't say owt, the victims are too scared, or are ignored, it carries on, it finally comes to a head, and it turns out it was a lot lot worse than had been realised, and people wish they'd said something sooner and other people get angry

 

that's the same response I'd expect no matter what

 

then chuck race or religion in, and some people get even more angry

I get your point and it's valid to a point, but as I know you believe, context is everything.

 

The blind eye by the authorities for one wouldn't have occurred. The gang raping of girls of the same faith wouldn't have occurred and if anyone from within the community had got wind of it they would have acted. Probably outside the law. In short, it Wouldn't be happening if they were Muslim.

 

I find your response another deflection but that's just me. I'll add, for balance, that if these girls were middle class white girls as opposed to white trash, we'd also have seen a different response from the authorities. Culture again.

no, you said communties but it suggests everyone, which is why I said it was too broad

Kin el. Context again. I'd bet most all who read that knew what I meant.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-44316315

 

Clearly there is a massive problem in the football community.....Surely thousands of people involved in football clubs and fans knew what was going on but did nothing. Something has to be done about football.....

https://news.sky.com/story/football-association-launches-inquiry-into-child-sex-abuse-10674312

 

On the back of the allegations the FA instructed a QC to undertake a full review.

 

Let’s see the Catholic Church or the Council of Muslims do the same.

There's loads of white folk fucking kids in Thailand/Philippines etc. But it's alright because we've got some vigilantes.

No it’s not alright and they should have the book thrown at them but why you deflecting the issue on your own doorstep by even bringing it up?

Kin el. Context again. I'd bet most all who read that knew what I meant.

Stick your neck out and Put a figure on it then

 

When you say communities how many do you saying you think know about it?

 

1%? 10%? 50%? 90%?

Stick your neck out and Put a figure on it then

 

When you say communities how many do you saying you think know about it?

 

1%? 10%? 50%? 90%?

Don't really see the point other than deflecting, again? Why are you asking?

 

So you can come back with that's bollocks, or so not a huge amount then?

 

Really, why?

 

I reckon 99% knew what I' meant though ????

Edited May 31, 20188 yr by madthatter

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-44316315

 

Clearly there is a massive problem in the football community.....Surely thousands of people involved in football clubs and fans knew what was going on but did nothing. Something has to be done about football.....

Why digress from the question at hand and also from Gonzo’s question ?

 

You bleat relentlessly re historic crimes in our country stretching back hundreds of years, but let’s turn the clock back 1400 years when some backwards bastard virtually legitimised rape of minors by marrying Aisha his 6 years old bride....fair play to Mo though, he waited 3 years before he fucked her.

What were you doing at 6 years old ? Were you trying your wedding dress on mi dear ?

 

His brainwashed followers have used his Islamic “teachings” as a court defence many times in our country saying they “were unaware of our laws”

If they’re unaware of our laws, then this clearly points to them thinking sex with minors is ok does it not ?

 

Have a google of violence against women in Pakistan and what the staggering “popular” conviction consists of.....

 

In Britain, the vast majority of folk think rape and grooming is abhorrent, yet a small percentage think it’s the norm.

 

Any more diversionary tactics and I’ll get Gonzo to use his admin powers and ban you.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-44316315

 

 

 

Clearly there is a massive problem in the football community.....Surely thousands of people involved in football clubs and fans knew what was going on but did nothing. Something has to be done about football.....

You’ve still not answered the question.

 

The discussion is about problems in the UK with the grooming of young/ underage girls by predominantly Muslim gangs.

 

Do you agree there’s a problem with child exploitation and the grooming of white British girls within the Muslim community in this country?

You’ve still not answered the question.

 

The discussion is about problems in the UK with the grooming of young/ underage girls by predominantly Muslim gangs.

 

Do you agree there’s a problem with child exploitation and the grooming of white British girls within the Muslim community in this country?

He won’t answer mate, he’ll post a link to Eastenders next.

There's a big, big problem - pretty sure we all agree in that.

 

TR's attempt at whatever the fuck he was attempting was misguided at best, fucking idiotic and sinister at worst.

 

The problem we seem to have here boys and girls, is that we don't all agree with the second statement, which frankly boggles my tiny mind at least.

Edited May 31, 20188 yr by mickbrown

He won’t answer mate, he’ll post a link to Eastenders next.

What about all the sex trafficking in Eastern Europe? A scandal but no ones arsed about that. You all just hate Muslims and now have a convenient excuse to bash them . . .

There's a big, big problem - pretty sure we all agree in that.

 

TR's attempt at whatever the fuck he was attempting was misguided at best, fucking idiotic and sinister at worst.

 

The problem we seem to have here boys and girls, is that we don't all agree with the second statement, which frankly boggles my tiny mind at least.

Don't remember anyone saying he was right to do what he did . . . On this occasion. Most have stressed how daft he was.

 

What I'm seeing most is folk deflecting from the fact that the are clear racial and cultural issues at play and that the authorities have dropped King Kong size bollocks; and so, like posters on here, are deflecting this by focusing their ire on TR.

 

What folk have said, myself included, is that we should commend TR for his actions not condemn. And I'll do the next in capitals for added effect

 

PRESENT CASE NOTWITHSTANDING

Don't remember anyone saying he was right to do what he did . . . On this occasion. Most have stressed how daft he was.

 

What I'm seeing most is folk deflecting from the fact that the are clear racial and cultural issues at play and that the authorities have dropped King Kong size bollocks; and so, like posters on here, are deflecting this by focusing their ire on TR.

 

What folk have said, myself included, is that we should commend TR for his actions not condemn. And I'll do the next in capitals for added effect

 

PRESENT CASE NOTWITHSTANDING

And the other case he almost fucked up notwithstanding as well. Obviously.

Don't remember anyone saying he was right to do what he did . . . On this occasion. Most have stressed how daft he was.

 

What I'm seeing most is folk deflecting from the fact that the are clear racial and cultural issues at play and that the authorities have dropped King Kong size bollocks; and so, like posters on here, are deflecting this by focusing their ire on TR.

 

What folk have said, myself included, is that we should commend TR for his actions not condemn. And I'll do the next in capitals for added effect

 

PRESENT CASE NOTWITHSTANDING

It is a thread called Tommy Robinson to be fair.

 

He has not educated me one dot on this subject. I have never read anything he has written kn the subject yet I am aware of the issue.

 

The ire you talk about is people being fucked off by this prick pushing his personal agenda at the risk of compromising a trial. He has made himself the voice for the morally outraged right wing by getting arrested. They are annoyed because he got stopped what he was doing and was punished yet everyone seems to agree he was being a prick.

Don't really see the point other than deflecting, again? Why are you asking?

 

So you can come back with that's bollocks, or so not a huge amount then?

 

Really, why?

 

because I think it has an effect on how you start to deal with it, or put forward solutions, and how you view the muslim community as a whole, and what you expect them as a whole to do about it

 

there is clearly an issue within the muslim community that needs to be dealt with by those within the community who have the power to influence, and by our authorities who need to get stuck in

 

but I think it's also important to seriously consider how much of that community know or can (and of course will) do anything about it

 

it's a far bigger problem to solve if you think 9 out of 10 people in a community know about it, than if you think it might be 1 or 2

 

and in turn, as there's not much we can do, you're more likely to then just think 9 out of 10 are in on it, than just 1 or 2

 

and I think the way folk like TR going about their business, it leads people to think it's more like 9 out of 10 than 1 or 2, because he's primarily anti muslim and not anti peado, and that is what raises tensions

 

but they are eventually getting caught and tried without the help of TR, so I don't see what purpose he serves other than shit stirring which in turn makes the other issue, perception, much worse

 

which is why I was curious as to what you meant by "the community", and as you were sticking your neck out, it sounds like you were thinking it's a big number

 

you might be right, I'm just not convinced it's as big a number that know about these things as is often suggested

You’ve still not answered the question.

 

The discussion is about problems in the UK with the grooming of young/ underage girls by predominantly Muslim gangs.

 

Do you agree there’s a problem with child exploitation and the grooming of white British girls within the Muslim community in this country?

It’s a loaded question. Are there grooming gangs that contain mainly Muslim members? Yes.

 

That doesn’t equate to a problem within the Muslim community anymore than the fact that most CSE offences are being committed by white men means there is a problem on a wide basis.

 

On my street there are two Muslim families. One lives next door but one and the other lives round the corner. As far as I know they don’t know each other anymore than we do. Let’s say the one two doors down was abusing children, you’d blame the Muslim community. When the reality is that their neighbours aren’t Muslims and the ones who live a few hundred yards away round the corner don’t know them.

 

That’s why trying to blame a community based on a shared religion is absolute bollocks. Unless you’ve got an agenda.

It’s a loaded question. Are there grooming gangs that contain mainly Muslim members? Yes.

 

That doesn’t equate to a problem within the Muslim community anymore than the fact that most CSE offences are being committed by white men means there is a problem on a wide basis.

 

On my street there are two Muslim families. One lives next door but one and the other lives round the corner. As far as I know they don’t know each other anymore than we do. Let’s say the one two doors down was abusing children, you’d blame the Muslim community. When the reality is that their neighbours aren’t Muslims and the ones who live a few hundred yards away round the corner don’t know them.

 

That’s why trying to blame a community based on a shared religion is absolute bollocks. Unless you’ve got an agenda.

Why is it a loaded question? I just wanted yes or no.

 

Nobody has blamed a community en mass. Well I certainly haven’t anyway.

 

If you gave straight answers maybe we could all have some kind of reasoned debate on the subject.

 

But you just waffle a load of bull crap and insinuate anyone that thinks there’s a massive problem within the Muslim community with grooming gangs targeting British white girls are somehow blaming the whole of Islam and want everybody out.

 

You are part of the problem. You and your type make discussion and solution impossible. You and your type make any debate obselete by refusing to admit or concede that there are deep rooted fundamental issues between Muslim and Traditional cultures that allow grooming and such like to prosper for decades.

 

You and your type that shut down debate are the reason your Tommy Robisons exist. Hes making a living on being a voice for people who are too scared to raise an issue.

 

Just because you think there’s a problem within a community or religion that isn’t yours, it doesn’t make you racist, it doesn’t make you a bigot.

 

There are gangs of Muslim men targeting white British girls in this country because they are white and British. This is the reality. It’s happening on a large scale whether you agree or not.

 

Yes there are are other types of abuse and exploitation taking place across the land, but once again, that is not the issue here.

 

You have dodged that many questions today, you should be a politician ffs.

You're like a walking meme. White girls. "discussing these issues with Muslims".

 

Its utterly hilarious.

 

Just come out and say it. You don't like brown people and want them all gone from your country. It would probably show you in a better light then pretending to be hugely concerned about issues. Kids are abused every single day in this country. Not just by Asian grooming gangs. Yet you only seem concerned with one particular subset. My neighbour works with kids who have suffered physical and sexual abuse. You should go spend a day working with her to see what goes on daily. If you really cared about kids of course.....

You are the sort of twat who just shouts racist when someone dares to question aspects of islam.

 

Its pathetic.

You are the sort of twat who just shouts racist when someone dares to question aspects of islam.

 

Its pathetic.

the guy would argue the colour of a bastard orange draining on football and non football talk

No it’s not alright and they should have the book thrown at them but why you deflecting the issue on your own doorstep by even bringing it up?

Possibly cos you chuck shit like fucking kids is a Muslim issue in the pot