Love him or hate him the lads got some nuts, caught this lad a cracker here.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_BNP2y7ELus&feature=youtu.be

What does that have to do with a discussion on Asian grooming gangs targeting British white girls?

 

You render the debate null and void.

What did your video of that Muslim guy asking the policeman about help the heroes?

What did your video of that Muslim guy asking the policeman about help the heroes?

I’m not the one pretending there isn’t an issue.

I’m not the one pretending there isn’t an issue.

Neither am I

 

Just wondering, cos that dick “interviewing” the copper is basically “doing a Muslim Tommy Robinson”.

 

Ironic innit

Why is it a loaded question? I just wanted yes or no.

 

Nobody has blamed a community en mass. Well I certainly haven’t anyway.

 

If you gave straight answers maybe we could all have some kind of reasoned debate on the subject.

 

But you just waffle a load of bull crap and insinuate anyone that thinks there’s a massive problem within the Muslim community with grooming gangs targeting British white girls are somehow blaming the whole of Islam and want everybody out.

 

You are part of the problem. You and your type make discussion and solution impossible. You and your type make any debate obselete by refusing to admit or concede that there are deep rooted fundamental issues between Muslim and Traditional cultures that allow grooming and such like to prosper for decades.

 

You and your type that shut down debate are the reason your Tommy Robisons exist. Hes making a living on being a voice for people who are too scared to raise an issue.

 

Just because you think there’s a problem within a community or religion that isn’t yours, it doesn’t make you racist, it doesn’t make you a bigot.

 

There are gangs of Muslim men targeting white British girls in this country because they are white and British. This is the reality. It’s happening on a large scale whether you agree or not.

 

Yes there are are other types of abuse and exploitation taking place across the land, but once again, that is not the issue here.

 

You have dodged that many questions today, you should be a politician ffs.

You keep referring to ‘Muslim community’. Why is that?

 

Do you accept that if you say there is a problem in the Muslim community you also have to say there is a problem with child abuse in the ‘White English Christian community’.

 

That’s what it amounts to. You’re happy to use the word community because you want to apportion collective blame. As I demonstrated with my previous example doing that is absolute bollocks. There is no such thing as a collective Muslim community.

 

There are Muslims in grooming gangs. The fact they are Muslims is to any normal person utterly irrelevant. If a man is abusing his or other people’s kids I really couldn’t care less what his religion is. It’s absolutely an irrelevance. The only issue is they are abusing kids. And they need to be dealt with.

It's a fair point about tarring the Muslim community with too big a brush

 

http://www.wanderersways.com/forum/topic/86186-this-rotherham-cover-up/?p=1594076

You keep referring to ‘Muslim community’. Why is that?

 

Do you accept that if you say there is a problem in the Muslim community you also have to say there is a problem with child abuse in the ‘White English Christian community’.

 

That’s what it amounts to. You’re happy to use the word community because you want to apportion collective blame. As I demonstrated with my previous example doing that is absolute bollocks. There is no such thing as a collective Muslim community.

 

There are Muslims in grooming gangs. The fact they are Muslims is to any normal person utterly irrelevant. If a man is abusing his or other people’s kids I really couldn’t care less what his religion is. It’s absolutely an irrelevance. The only issue is they are abusing kids. And they need to be dealt with.

I’ve been with you with a lot of this but this post is bollocks

 

Course there’s a relevance of it to Islam; that’s even accepted by many Muslims FFS

 

TR is a fuckwit but this denial is ridiculous

It's mainly rural Pakistani or Kashmir Muslims isn't it.

Why is it a loaded question? I just wanted yes or no.

 

Nobody has blamed a community en mass. Well I certainly haven’t anyway.

 

If you gave straight answers maybe we could all have some kind of reasoned debate on the subject.

 

But you just waffle a load of bull crap and insinuate anyone that thinks there’s a massive problem within the Muslim community with grooming gangs targeting British white girls are somehow blaming the whole of Islam and want everybody out.

 

You are part of the problem. You and your type make discussion and solution impossible. You and your type make any debate obselete by refusing to admit or concede that there are deep rooted fundamental issues between Muslim and Traditional cultures that allow grooming and such like to prosper for decades.

 

You and your type that shut down debate are the reason your Tommy Robisons exist. Hes making a living on being a voice for people who are too scared to raise an issue.

 

Just because you think there’s a problem within a community or religion that isn’t yours, it doesn’t make you racist, it doesn’t make you a bigot.

 

There are gangs of Muslim men targeting white British girls in this country because they are white and British. This is the reality. It’s happening on a large scale whether you agree or not.

 

Yes there are are other types of abuse and exploitation taking place across the land, but once again, that is not the issue here.

 

You have dodged that many questions today, you should be a politician ffs.

Not sure they're targeting the girls because they're white and British rather than they are vulnerable children who can be won round with even basic attention and affection who happen to be white.

Do you accept that if you say there is a problem in the Muslim community you also have to say there is a problem with child abuse in the ‘White English Christian community’.

 

 

Do you think the "white community" abuses kids one on one to a greater degree than the "Muslim community" (per capita/as a percentage of population)?

It's mainly rural Pakistani or Kashmir Muslims isn't it.

Which would point to it being a problem in a select number of Muslim communities right?

It's mainly rural Pakistani or Kashmir Muslims isn't it.

That seems to be the case.

 

When the Rochdale case was in the headlines my algerian and Iraqi work colleagues went to great effort to point that out.

I suppose a better question is - are there certain cultural beliefs/practices/traditions which make it more likely that some Muslim men (particularly those of Pakistani origin) are more likely to be involved in the gang grooming of children than their white British counterparts?

 

Even as a confirmed yoghurt knitter my answer would be - probably.

 

Channel 4 seem to sum it up pretty well....

 

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/what-do-we-know-about-the-ethnicity-of-sexual-abuse-gangs

Do you think the "white community" abuses kids one on one to a greater degree than the "Muslim community" (per capita/as a percentage of population)?

The evidence I've posted below would suggest that they do. Almost exclusively.

You keep referring to ‘Muslim community’. Why is that?

 

Do you accept that if you say there is a problem in the Muslim community you also have to say there is a problem with child abuse in the ‘White English Christian community’.

 

That’s what it amounts to. You’re happy to use the word community because you want to apportion collective blame. As I demonstrated with my previous example doing that is absolute bollocks. There is no such thing as a collective Muslim community.

 

There are Muslims in grooming gangs. The fact they are Muslims is to any normal person utterly irrelevant. If a man is abusing his or other people’s kids I really couldn’t care less what his religion is. It’s absolutely an irrelevance. The only issue is they are abusing kids. And they need to be dealt with.

I keep referring to the Muslim community because that’s where the grooming gangs in which we are discussing come from.

 

If they came from the Christian church or were former celebrities I’d say they were from the Christian church or were former celebrities.

 

But they aren’t. This particular disscussion is about predominantly Muslim grooming gangs targeting young English white girls, because as I’ll say again, they are young English white girls.

 

Again you’re trying to insinuate that I’m trying to somehow blame the Muslim population as one? I’m saying there’s issues with it which create a society and scenario that allows this particular form of abuse to breed.

 

I’m really not sure what is so hard to understand here?

 

If there’s a problem with blacks knife crime in London, there’s a problem with black knife crime in London. It gets targeted, labelled and dealt with. You don’t say ah well white kids are shooting each other in Liverpool though.

 

It’s a problem within that particular community, the way the authorities deal with it being the biggest problem of all. Why does it have to be such an issue to apportion blame?

 

I’ll say again, Grooming and the exploitation of children in this country happens in every walk of life from ex footy coaches, white Christians, black brown pink or purple folk.

 

But In these particualr cases, which more and more are being unearthed, the gangs are predominantly Muslims that are targeting girls because they white and English.

 

It’s really not hard to grasp.

Not sure they're targeting the girls because they're white and British rather than they are vulnerable children who can be won round with even basic attention and affection who happen to be white.

Not having they would abuse girls of their own faith in the same way.

 

Not a chance.

Possibly cos you chuck shit like fucking kids is a Muslim issue in the pot

it ain’t shit it’s happening here and now, the numbers game tell me it’s clearly a bigger problem in Muslim culture and you are completely missing the reason folk are angry and that’s because the authorities seem to have turned a blind eye to this for 30 years, that’s why we’re not calling out white paedos as they have been dealt with.

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The evidence I've posted below would suggest that they do. Almost exclusively.

 

Based on six, yes six observed cases.

 

It also says , "CEOP’s report doesn’t include data on the ethnicity of lone child abusers, and the government doesn’t publish comparable information."

 

You're link is bollocks.

Not having they would abuse girls of their own faith in the same way.

 

Not a chance.

Probably not but black, Hindu, Chinese etc. As long as they've a shitty life and are easy to manipulate.

I suppose a better question is - are there certain cultural beliefs/practices/traditions which make it more likely that some Muslim men (particularly those of Pakistani origin) are more likely to be involved in the gang grooming of children than their white British counterparts?

 

Even as a confirmed yoghurt knitter my answer would be - probably.

 

Channel 4 seem to sum it up pretty well....

 

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/what-do-we-know-about-the-ethnicity-of-sexual-abuse-gangs

229 Asian to 70 whites. Says it all. Let's stop the denial that this isn't an Asian problem.

 

Specifically, kasmhiri Pakistani communities. As the thread shows above this was established long ago.

 

I'll say this yet again at risk of being more of a bore but if those stats were showing white EDLmembers or similar attacking Muslim girls at that rate no one in their right mind would say it isn't a problem with white working class culture, specifically those affiliated with such groups. Especially, and significantly, if you boiled the data down to equal race ratios.

And if somebody said that i must know it was going on and should do more to stop it id tell em to fcuk right off

Based on six, yes six observed cases.

 

It also says , "CEOP’s report doesn’t include data on the ethnicity of lone child abusers, and the government doesn’t publish comparable information."

 

You're link is bollocks.

Fair enough - small sample size noted. I was skim reading on the train.

 

Are you going to show me that it's otherwise?

 

And it's 'your' by the way.

Probably not but black, Hindu, Chinese etc. As long as they've a shitty life and are easy to manipulate.

Well they've done it to some Sikh girls as well but white mainly.

 

I agree with you to a point but they would not be doing it to Muslim girls on that do you agree? Do you also agree that if the girls were middle or upper class we'd see a different response from the establishment?

And if somebody said that i must know it was going on and should do more to stop it id tell em to fcuk right off

What if you were a member of the EDL?

Fair enough - small sample size noted. I was skim reading on the train.

 

Are you going to show me that it's otherwise?

 

And it's 'your' by the way.

 

No, but it is.

 

Your right to correct my grammar though.

Well they've done it to some Sikh girls as well but white mainly.

 

I agree with you to a point but they would not be doing it to Muslim girls on that do you agree? Do you also agree that if the girls were middle or upper class we'd see a different response from the establishment?

You're pretty much spot on with both points.

 

Although the likely hood of the kids these monsters target coming from middle class and up families is quite slim. Mainly because the parents will be involved either because they can be or want to be.

Parents not being around isn't always because they don't care.