Not making the starting 11 for a team 17th in league 1.

What went wrong for the lad? 

No games this season?

3 hours ago, deane koontz said:

No games this season?

Played regularly for Forest U23s according to THIS but that's about it

If hall isn't getting a look in, then why not loan him out, free up a space and see if Clough can offer us anything. His style would suit Darcy's footballing skills/brain.

Nowt to lose unless someone better is lined up.

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

If hall isn't getting a look in, then why not loan him out, free up a space and see if Clough can offer us anything. His style would suit Darcy's footballing skills/brain.

Nowt to lose unless someone better is lined up.

Like third time lucky? Since he first appeared for us (21 goals in 58 apps) he's been at Forest (4 in 27), back to Bolton (1 in 9), Rochdale (0 in 9) so he's hardly set the world on fire with his prolific goalscoring. I get that his game goes beyond how many he scores but I'm not sure how that'd be measured.

7 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Like third time lucky? Since he first appeared for us (21 goals in 58 apps) he's been at Forest (4 in 27), back to Bolton (1 in 9), Rochdale (0 in 9) so he's hardly set the world on fire with his prolific goalscoring. I get that his game goes beyond how many he scores but I'm not sure how that'd be measured.

Given hall hasn't played much if anything, he can't be any worse!

Creativity, along with Darcy could be very useful for keeping Daryl Murphy scoring.

Especially if we lose verlinden.

57 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Played regularly for Forest U23s according to THIS but that's about it

Ah right. It feels like he went before 2017 for some reason

 

33 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

If hall isn't getting a look in, then why not loan him out, free up a space and see if Clough can offer us anything. His style would suit Darcy's footballing skills/brain.

Nowt to lose unless someone better is lined up.

Was It Keith Hill who signed him at Rochdale?

11 minutes ago, deane koontz said:

Was It Keith Hill who signed him at Rochdale?

Yes it was

Clough was at his best when played just off the centre forward, which is a slight problem because Darcy also plays central. It'd be one or the other I think.

Hasn't Hall been injured most of the season? 

3 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Clough was at his best when played just off the centre forward, which is a slight problem because Darcy also plays central. It'd be one or the other I think.

Use them two and Murphy as an alternative front 3?

Quite like Dodoo, but he's not the dog's bollocks and was relatively quiet yesterday.

3 midfielders in behind.

45 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Use them two and Murphy as an alternative front 3?

Quite like Dodoo, but he's not the dog's bollocks and was relatively quiet yesterday.

3 midfielders in behind.

The thing is, I think we get the best out of Darcy by playing him at the top of the midfield triangle. And with Clough, it's by playing him just off the centre forward. By playing both of them as part of a front three, we don't get the best out of either.

If we did re-sign Clough, I'd be tempted to try him in Verlinden's position, where he and Darcy could link up, but I don't know if we'd be better off trying to find a player better suited to beating a man wide and then getting a cross in instead, as that generally tends to be our gameplan.

Edited December 30, 20196 yr by Lt. Aldo Raine

I'd have Clough back in a heartbeat. Especially as we've no Ali Crawford. Reckon he'd come back for peanuts as well. 

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I'd have Clough back in a heartbeat. Especially as we've no Ali Crawford. Reckon he'd come back for peanuts as well. 

Same

Another factor in taking him is that, assuming we're in Div 2 next season, he'd be too good for that league if we could be brave enough to play 2 up front and take the game to the opposition.  Murphy and Clough up front in Div 2 would be ace.

Another thing to bear in mind is that the shit in this league is utter shit

The difference between 2nd and 3rd tier is immense

Clough could tear it apart at his best

Whether he's still got his best, who knows, but he couldn't get a game at rochdale

55 minutes ago, Casino said:

Another thing to bear in mind is that the shit in this league is utter shit

The difference between 2nd and 3rd tier is immense

Clough could tear it apart at his best

Whether he's still got his best, who knows, but he couldn't get a game at rochdale

Is it though?

I don't get how you (or most others) think a drop in a league is a huge step down.

It's fluid, and as the youngsters come through there will be better talent emerging in lower leagues,they won't all be snapped up by top clubs, and many top players will emerge after being released by so called top clubs.

Brentford seem to be soaking up talent in London at the moment, they have historically been a lower league club but I reckon they will be a Premiership club in the next few years.

Anyway, my point is that there is loads of good players in the lower leagues  and we can't expect to 'walk' league 2 next year.

It's not worth arguing about but I think it cos I see it

We have a team almost exclusively made up of last day waifs and strays and we are a middling team in this league

League above, we wouldn't get a sniff

Not a sniff

 

 

8 hours ago, kent_white said:

I'd have Clough back in a heartbeat. Especially as we've no Ali Crawford. Reckon he'd come back for peanuts as well. 

Roasted or ready salted?

51 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Roasted or ready salted?

Honey roasted. And I've still got some left over from Christmas so I can chip in!

9 hours ago, kent_white said:

I'd have Clough back in a heartbeat. Especially as we've no Ali Crawford. Reckon he'd come back for peanuts as well. 

Agreed

9 hours ago, Alf Hartigan said:

Is it though?

I don't get how you (or most others) think a drop in a league is a huge step down.

I’m one of the most others.  Just look how many teams have  bounced straight back to the Championship at the first time of asking over the past five years or so.

11 hours ago, kent_white said:

I'd have Clough back in a heartbeat. Especially as we've no Ali Crawford. Reckon he'd come back for peanuts as well. 

Me too.

1 hour ago, bolton in bedford said:

I’m one of the most others.  Just look how many teams have  bounced straight back to the Championship at the first time of asking over the past five years or so.

Aye, it's a drop down, not denying that, but you will still come across quality, and you still will in League 2 or even the Conference.

League 2 and National League teams are now well organised and fit which sort of neutralises the skill deficit. There's still some stand-out players who end up there. But we never seem to sign any.

26 minutes ago, passmosster said:

League 2 and National League teams are now well organised and fit which sort of neutralises the skill deficit. There's still some stand-out players who end up there. But we never seem to sign any.

It reaches a certain point - and I think the bottom of our league isn't far from it - where a team of grafters will beat players reputed to be more skilful. Must admit that I've been surprised with how poor Wimbledon/MK Dons/Southend were against us and I certainly don't remember the bottom sides being so poor the last time we were at this level.