2 hours ago, marple whites said:

He's had time and got us promoted and kept us up.........with eff all money and more baggage than manchester airport

He's a mentalist

Don't engage

We need to stick with the formation of today ( at least at home) 

Donaldson looks to have more in his locker than Mcgennis Doige struggled but I would persevere with him & Ozumer was just trying too hard although no excuse for the 92 minute corner

Get Ameobi fit as well it will be better though Little would be a better wingback ? Not sure about Olowoski as a wingback although mainly it was his final ball rarther than attacking intent that let him down.

 

Not mentioned I don't think, but dryer was taken out around the hour mark

Another piece of shite refereeing, that should have seen us given a penalty

 

4 hours ago, embankment said:

Big Sam , buys into Kens sindicate . 10 mill up front.Ken hands 500K to Parky.

Sam takes the reins. Extra 5thou on the gate.

Time for another pint.

 

 

I think Parky has worked wonders with the meagre support he's had.

That said, the thought of the big man back floats my boat enormously. Stop it will you. Probably never happen but there's always hope.

I thought the team was set up well today. Oztumer, Donaldson & Doidge showed signs of being on similar wavelengths to each other.

Defending woeful for their goal, lads simply not doing their jobs and our finishing was terrible too. I'm not convinced we can blame Parky for this.

The introduction of Buckley was a bit bizarre and Buckley went back to his favourite hide-and-seek mode.

 

I think PP has earned more time and based on  (a) what he has done so far and (b) the names being suggested, I'd not be too disappointed if he stayed.

6 hours ago, Traf said:

I thought the team was set up well today. Oztumer, Donaldson & Doidge showed signs of being on similar wavelengths to each other.

Defending woeful for their goal, lads simply not doing their jobs and our finishing was terrible too. I'm not convinced we can blame Parky for this.

The introduction of Buckley was a bit bizarre and Buckley went back to his favourite hide-and-seek mode.

 

I think PP has earned more time and based on  (a) what he has done so far and (b) the names being suggested, I'd not be too disappointed if he stayed.

The players are letting Parky and themselves down big time. Hull were terrible.

Oztumer’s end product is woeful. He tried hard but we can’t carry an attacking midfield player who cannot shoot or make a final pass. Also his set pieces are shocking. Take him off corners immediately.

I thought the front two played well it’s just a shame the chances didn’t fall to Doidge as I reckon he might have taken them. 

9 hours ago, Casino said:

Not mentioned I don't think, but dryer was taken out around the hour mark

Another piece of shite refereeing, that should have seen us given a penalty

 

Even with my rose tinted’s on I didn’t have that down as a penalty Casino (if it’s the same shoulder to shoulder that challenge that I’m thinking of). Just looked like 2 players got to the ball at the same time and Dyer got sent to the gym. If Dyer got to the ball first and it was therefore a push in the back then I’d agree with you but it didn’t look that way from the WSU.

With regards to Dyer, I’m not too impressed with him. It’s probably a bit harsh considering he’s not had a pre-season and has been chucked in in one of the hardest positions on the pitch fitness wise but he’s all over the place, he doesn’t know where to be and left the also flailing Beevers alone to play LB far too often. Add to that that he was pretty useless going forward and his end product is terrible and I can’t I see him as the answer to that left hand side.

It’s all been said above, but we won’t get a better chance of 3 points at home all season against a poor team in Hull.

 

I would fuck the idea of wingers off completely and pack the midfield, but we have to persist with Williams and oz (the only 2 who want the ball). Too many passengers in that team yesterday and as traf says Buckley was doing his best Derik impersonation in hiding behind their players when we had a throw in. Unacceptable. Our left side is really proving difficult for parky.

 

Alnwick, olkowski, Hobbs, Wheater, Lowe, Williams, oz, ameobi (when fit), Doidge nailed on starters for me.

 

25 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Oztumer’s end product is woeful. He tried hard but we can’t carry an attacking midfield player who cannot shoot or make a final pass. Also his set pieces are shocking. Take him off corners immediately.

His corners were shit but we were far from carrying him yesterday, a couple of wayward shots but he looked more than capable of creating chances for himself and others around him, which he did, came the closest to scoring for us and set up others who couldn't capitalise

He needs a run of games if anything, he was one of few positives from yesterday

44 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Oztumer’s end product is woeful. He tried hard but we can’t carry an attacking midfield player who cannot shoot or make a final pass. Also his set pieces are shocking. Take him off corners immediately.

I thought the front two played well it’s just a shame the chances didn’t fall to Doidge as I reckon he might have taken them. 

And replace him with..?

22 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

His corners were shit but we were far from carrying him yesterday, a couple of wayward shots but he looked more than capable of creating chances for himself and others around him, which he did, came the closest to scoring for us and set up others who couldn't capitalise

He needs a run of games if anything, he was one of few positives from yesterday

Bang on. 

33 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

His corners were shit but we were far from carrying him yesterday, a couple of wayward shots but he looked more than capable of creating chances for himself and others around him, which he did, came the closest to scoring for us and set up others who couldn't capitalise

He needs a run of games if anything, he was one of few positives from yesterday

Wasn’t there yesterday (I’m in Barca)but watched the highlights and I agree with you, Otzumer looked out most dangerous player can pick a pass and his record suggests he’ll score goals. By the way Williams lack of tracking of Campbell for the goal was shocking I’d drop him for that alone (if we had any half decent options that is) , I’m not a fan of him anyhow. 

P.S. Beggars belief we did not retain Karl Henry.

Edited October 28, 20187 yr by Mounts Kipper

9 hours ago, Traf said:

I thought the team was set up well today. Oztumer, Donaldson & Doidge showed signs of being on similar wavelengths to each other.

Defending woeful for their goal, lads simply not doing their jobs and our finishing was terrible too. I'm not convinced we can blame Parky for this.

The introduction of Buckley was a bit bizarre and Buckley went back to his favourite hide-and-seek mode.

 

I think PP has earned more time and based on  (a) what he has done so far and (b) the names being suggested, I'd not be too disappointed if he stayed.

I agreed like yesterday with all your post except the last paragraph. He needs going.

39 minutes ago, DazBob said:

And replace him with..?

I thought Oztumer played well yesterday and if we were ever gonna score it would be through him. No one else

1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Oztumer’s end product is woeful. He tried hard but we can’t carry an attacking midfield player who cannot shoot or make a final pass. Also his set pieces are shocking. Take him off corners immediately.

I thought the front two played well it’s just a shame the chances didn’t fall to Doidge as I reckon he might have taken them. 

His end product will come from confidence and more game time imo.

Add a better understanding with the front two as well. 

We cant keep playing a system that’s never been played before with players that have never played it and expect it to gel.

once the front men get used to his link up play and he gets used to their runs it could work. 

 

Its a better option than the beevers to Big josh method anyway. 

It needs time to gel but knowing the manager, it’s back to square one on Friday. 

 

 

1 hour ago, DazBob said:

And replace him with..?

Not suggesting we replace him. But the idea he’s a messiah is absolute nonsense. Yesterday he was afforded space, against better sides he won’t be. And I certainly don’t think he’s close to being our best player. Or one I’d be building a team around.

At home against certain teams he is useful but I’d not be picking him away at Villa, not in a million years.

16 minutes ago, gonzo said:

His end product will come from confidence and more game time imo.

Add a better understanding with the front two as well. 

We cant keep playing a system that’s never been played before with players that have never played it and expect it to gel.

once the front men get used to his link up play and he gets used to their runs it could work. 

 

Its a better option than the beevers to Big josh method anyway. 

It needs time to gel but knowing the manager, it’s back to square one on Friday. 

 

 

Do you think the system yesterday is one to keep trying? I don’t personally. I thought the front two were good, but Olkowski is no wing back and is our best player. So putting him out of position is weakening us. The lack of width was a problem and it’s clear after gets how to play it but he’s miles off being fit in my view. When Ameobi is back he doesn’t fit into that 3-5-2 either. 

 

Im thinking we try a narrow 4-4-2 with Oztumer the tip of the diamond and Ameobi on the right hand side. Williams and Lowe fill the other positions. Parky played that system initially here with Mark Davies in it. I’d give that a look and let the full backs bomb on a little, especially Olkowski. 

Who is the bombing on left back?

Oztumer is not Messi but he's the only fit player who could lift us above attritional

 

7 changes against a shit team like Hull Dyer blowing out of his arse after 30 mins the polish lad who cannot play as a wing back and Beevers back in a back 3 I call that a desperate idea from a desperate man. We don't have the players to play 3-5-2, and Buckley coming on and doing fuck all even though he was in the Bolton News saying they need  to step up for the manager what a joke!

Letting Alf go is going to cost us!

1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Do you think the system yesterday is one to keep trying? I don’t personally. I thought the front two were good, but Olkowski is no wing back and is our best player. So putting him out of position is weakening us. The lack of width was a problem and it’s clear after gets how to play it but he’s miles off being fit in my view. When Ameobi is back he doesn’t fit into that 3-5-2 either. 

 

Im thinking we try a narrow 4-4-2 with Oztumer the tip of the diamond and Ameobi on the right hand side. Williams and Lowe fill the other positions. Parky played that system initially here with Mark Davies in it. I’d give that a look and let the full backs bomb on a little, especially Olkowski. 

I meant the system of having oztumer and the two lads in front.

You’re right as in what went on behind, the players looked lost to me. Vela adds nothing in any system imo.

Im not saying Otzumers is the new messiah but it was refreshing to see a player in a bolton put his foot on the ball in the middle of the park and take the game to the opposition. He tried numerous times to feed the front two. The end product will come imo if we stick with it.

Having to turn up against Swansea and watch us belt the ball forward with only McGennis up top fills me with dread. If he’s gonna go back to that he can piss off for me. 

Beavers played a nice ball to Vela early on.

 

On the ground as well. Which shocked me. 

2 hours ago, tomski said:

I thought Oztumer played well yesterday and if we were ever gonna score it would be through him. No one else

Aye, he's the only one who looks like he either wants to or is actually capable of creating anything.

He needs a run of games too, not in for one then out for two or three.

Edited October 28, 20187 yr by DazBob

How was that free kick given against him when he bounced off the opposing player? 

 

I don’t like the calling the refs but I think we’re getting some short change over the last few weeks. 

4 hours ago, Rizlar said:

7 changes against a shit team like Hull Dyer blowing out of his arse after 30 mins the polish lad who cannot play as a wing back and Beevers back in a back 3 I call that a desperate idea from a desperate man. We don't have the players to play 3-5-2, and Buckley coming on and doing fuck all even though he was in the Bolton News saying they need  to step up for the manager what a joke!

Letting Alf go is going to cost us!

Ietting alf go would make fuck all difference 

Edited October 28, 20187 yr by DirtySanchez