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Alan Nixon @reluctantnicko 31m31 minutes ago

Alan Nixon Retweeted Kieran James

Having to pay out about 800k today will pain him. Clearly is an issue as these wages are now 11 days late. Poor stuff.

I wonder if you could ever get it into the heads of some folk that BWFC has been a limited company since 1895 and that means that players are employees and the financial  responsibilty of the company and not employees of the directors or shareholders whoever they might be or however many of them there might be at any point in time.

 

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Is it a reasonable assumption to make that if the takeover continues at the current pace and Sweaty doesn’t cough up the wages as promised (he does have previous here) that we run the risk of a player revolt and fielding kids against Sheff W or cancelling the fixture altogether?

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1 minute ago, Gravel rash said:

Is it a reasonable assumption to make that if the takeover continues at the current pace and Sweaty doesn’t cough up the wages as promised (he does have previous here) that we run the risk of a player revolt and fielding kids against Sheff W or cancelling the fixture altogether?

I suspect the EFL will call the game off if wages aren't paid as clearly the club is trading whilst insolvent which is illegal.

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1 minute ago, Gravel rash said:

Is it a reasonable assumption to make that if the takeover continues at the current pace and Sweaty doesn’t cough up the wages as promised (he does have previous here) that we run the risk of a player revolt and fielding kids against Sheff W or cancelling the fixture altogether?

They have the right to protest, but doing it on a match day may be considered a breach of contractual obligations or simply deriliction of duty. 

Best bet is to play well, put themselves in the shop window for the 15th when they become free agents (albeit can’t be registered until next season).

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2 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

I suspect the EFL will call the game off if wages aren't paid as clearly the club is trading whilst insolvent which is illegal.

It depends on how the business is defined as to if playing the match is considered ‘trade’ or not. It’s illegal to accept revenue but it’s not illegal to fulfil obligations previously paid for.

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Right a couple of people have said Chris and Howard could have an agenda here to share specific info. ...Out of interest why would anyone want that ? We have no influence on the deal going through so why would anyone give a shit about public opinion ? 

 

On the Warburton connection, there are only very limited number of people in the country to have the financial clout to invest £££s in a football club, it is is likely that these people move in similar circles so the chance of some over-lap is a lot higher than you might expect.

Ultimately Colin and Howard are expressing informed opinions as are others, they may have relevant knowledge which boosts the credibility of their opinions, but anyone applying standard business logic to buying a football club will nearly always come up the conclusion you should not do it, but people do, so until we actually know the outcome everyone is guessing.

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32 minutes ago, Chris Custodiet said:

Alan Nixon @reluctantnicko 31m31 minutes ago

Alan Nixon Retweeted Kieran James

Having to pay out about 800k today will pain him. Clearly is an issue as these wages are now 11 days late. Poor stuff.

I wonder if you could ever get it into the heads of some folk that BWFC has been a limited company since 1895 and that means that players are employees and the financial  responsibilty of the company and not employees of the directors or shareholders whoever they might be or however many of them there might be at any point in time.

 

no chance, folk are fick as fuck

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Winning Saturday has given us our first bit of positive momentum for a few weeks, getting the wages sorted and some progress with the take over would help keep this going.

Fucking the players about ruins it.

 

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10 minutes ago, Ani said:

Winning Saturday has given us our first bit of positive momentum for a few weeks, getting the wages sorted and some progress with the take over would help keep this going.

Fucking the players about ruins it.

 

Surely they’re getting paid today?

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12 minutes ago, Biggish Dave said:

I reckon we need to win this to keep a realistic chance of staying up alive because there's no way we win at Wigan and QPR.

Don't really see it though, 1-1

Whoops - wrong thread. Never mind

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1 hour ago, Howardroark said:

Howard Roark is a central character of Ayn Rand’s book ‘The Fountainhead’. Honestly, the youth of today.

And the ancient as well, as I've somehow managed to miss reading the book also.

Interesting title though Fountainhead', the dictionary definition of that word is "an original source of something".

And the synopsis of the book seems to be about 'one man against the system'.

I'm not sure what it all means but I for one enjoy your involvement and intellect on here, take what you say as feasible and believable but wait to see what actually plays out.

 

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5 minutes ago, Chris Custodiet said:

Seems that the biggest single payment will be to Ben Amos reputedly on about £840K p.a.

Well deserved

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4 minutes ago, Chris Custodiet said:

Seems that the biggest single payment will be to Ben Amos reputedly on about £840K p.a.

And for those comlaing that Ken may make 500k a year out of the club, thats £2.4m* that Amos will have had from the club whilst KA has been here. And played 1 (one) game for the club in the last 3 seasons.

 

*less contributions that the loanee clubs have made.

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23 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Surely they’re getting paid today?

There’s also the ‘how’ they get paid to consider. 

Presumably the accounts are frozen and as such the batch deposit system will be too, that means manual placement via either the hotel, inner circle or a 3rd party payroll provider, that creates a time delay. 

 

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50 minutes ago, Ani said:

Winning Saturday has given us our first bit of positive momentum for a few weeks, getting the wages sorted and some progress with the take over would help keep this going.

Fucking the players about ruins it.

 

Think your right.

Positive news on any takeover prior to the game will give the fans a lift, by Christ it will need some lifting tomorrow, itll be freezin

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The situation with the wages is that to pay them, KA needs to loan the club money, either via director loan or inter company loan from Inner Circle. 

If he was convinced Basran was going to complete then he would have paid by now because he would’ve been guaranteed to be repaid as outgoing directors loans have to be settled.

Presumably Basran knew in early Feb that they were likely to be paying the wages for that month, they must have factored that in to their projections.... the issue is lack of funds available and KA doesn’t fully trust that they can/will complete.

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20 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

And for those comlaing that Ken may make 500k a year out of the club, thats £2.4m* that Amos will have had from the club whilst KA has been here. And played 1 (one) game for the club in the last 3 seasons.

 

*less contributions that the loanee clubs have made.

Amos is on £1m a year.

Players' Wage Bill is 600k a month.

Amos takes almost 14% of the pot.

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49 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

And the ancient as well, as I've somehow managed to miss reading the book also.

Interesting title though Fountainhead', the dictionary definition of that word is "an original source of something".

And the synopsis of the book seems to be about 'one man against the system'.

I'm not sure what it all means but I for one enjoy your involvement and intellect on here, take what you say as feasible and believable but wait to see what actually plays out.

 

Sluffy, Chriscustodiet and HowardRourk AKA lemonparty

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