Boby Brno Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, kent_white said: Current levels are 'Worse than the worst case scenario' according to the beeb. Bolton now moved up to 7th in the table of most cases in the country. Up from 9th. The supposed Tier 4 is looking more likely around these parts. Quote
Rudy Posted October 30, 2020 Author Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, Boby Brno said: Bolton now moved up to 7th in the table of most cases in the country. Up from 9th. The supposed Tier 4 is looking more likely around these parts. One off the playoffs. Quote
Guest Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, Rudy said: One off the playoffs. European tour calling Quote
Guest Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 However, he added that tier three restrictions are unlikely to bring the R number below 1.0 and that "we might need to take more action on a national scale". And we might not Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, boltondiver said: European tour calling Kinell, if we get to tier 4, a Bolton circular tour might be the best we get! Quote
Rudy Posted October 30, 2020 Author Posted October 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, boltondiver said: European tour calling Evatt in! Quote
Spider Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, boltondiver said: However, he added that tier three restrictions are unlikely to bring the R number below 1.0 and that "we might need to take more action on a national scale". And we might not Genuine question - do you think we should just lift all restrictions and go down the Sweden route ? Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Spider said: Genuine question - do you think we should just lift all restrictions and go down the Sweden route ? This morning they said the R in London was well over 2. (2.86?) I reckon we've got a couple of weeks or so to demonstrate that tier 3 is starting to show a slowing in infection up here, and whatever tiers are being used down there to do similar. Quote
Spider Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: This morning they said the R in London was well over 2. (2.86?) I reckon we've got a couple of weeks or so to demonstrate that tier 3 is starting to show a slowing in infection up here, and whatever tiers are being used down there to do similar. The restrictions are bollocks. This is not a lockdown of any sort. Spoke to a customer in Bradford today and he said “I don’t drink, I don’t go in pubs, this tier 3 makes non difference to my life whatsoever” Hard to disagree. Just shutting pubs does fuck all. Either go big and do what we did in March or just accept that we won’t keep it from spreading everywhere by xmas Quote
royal white Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Spider said: Genuine question - do you think we should just lift all restrictions and go down the Sweden route ? I’ve been listening to the pros and cons about this all week and still unsure. How did Belarus and Brazil fair? They were the other 2 countries weren’t they who followed Sweden Quote
Zico Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Spider said: Genuine question - do you think we should just lift all restrictions and go down the Sweden route ? Starting to see more and more suggestions that herd immunity isn't possible https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8889269/amp/Russian-professor-69-infected-Covid-19-twice-says-herd-immunity-impossible.html. And the Swedish guy agrees https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-herd-immunity-sweden-covid-cases-anders-tegnell-b1421541.html%3famp And that article says Sweden did a lockdown last week Quote
Spider Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, royal white said: I’ve been listening to the pros and cons about this all week and still unsure. How did Belarus and Brazil fair? They were the other 2 countries weren’t they who followed Sweden Seems to me that this halfway house does fuck all useful. Either let it do its thing and channel all the money at the NHS, or weld everyone’s door shut. This dithering doesn’t work. Quote
Guest Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, Spider said: Genuine question - do you think we should just lift all restrictions and go down the Sweden route ? No. There are some restrictions in Sweden, mind. Whilst I disagree with the Govts current strategy, it is, I think, a valid attempt at a middle way, trying to keep businesses open at the same time looking to supress infections. It really would be balmy to lockdown the economy in areas of low infection, so it must be otherwise motivated. The scientists and WHO aren't saying lockdown, but, it seems the media are. Weird. Quote
Zico Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, royal white said: I’ve been listening to the pros and cons about this all week and still unsure. How did Belarus and Brazil fair? They were the other 2 countries weren’t they who followed Sweden Brazil have the second highest number of deaths Looking at the graph they're are still in the middle of wave one Belarus probably haven't even noticed Edited October 30, 2020 by ZicoKelly Quote
Guest Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Spider said: The restrictions are bollocks. This is not a lockdown of any sort. Spoke to a customer in Bradford today and he said “I don’t drink, I don’t go in pubs, this tier 3 makes non difference to my life whatsoever” Hard to disagree. Just shutting pubs does fuck all. Either go big and do what we did in March or just accept that we won’t keep it from spreading everywhere by xmas Interesting article in the FT, that this phase is due to the virus mutating. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Interesting article in the FT, that this phase is due to the virus mutating. The lady that discovered our strain was on the box earlier. It developed in an outbreak on a farm in Spain, and essentially became Europe's predominant one. No more or less infectious or dangerous than other strains though. Quote
only1swanny Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: Starting to see more and more suggestions that herd immunity isn't possible https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8889269/amp/Russian-professor-69-infected-Covid-19-twice-says-herd-immunity-impossible.html. And the Swedish guy agrees https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-herd-immunity-sweden-covid-cases-anders-tegnell-b1421541.html%3famp And that article says Sweden did a lockdown last week Anti-bodies disappear, but the white blood cells remember how to make them. It's scare mongering by the media, Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Spider said: Seems to me that this halfway house does fuck all useful. Either let it do its thing and channel all the money at the NHS, or weld everyone’s door shut. This dithering doesn’t work. No reason why it shouldn't work in keeping the virus to a manageable level. Obviously, with more places open, you'll get some cases. However just seeing anecdotes on here, its clear that much isn't being adhered to. I've noticed that giving false information to t&t or not isolating as required is to become a criminal offence in Wales. Must admit, I'd assumed it already was everywhere! Its not just here though- civil disobedience is France for example because they don't want a lockdown. Like a Quatermass story. Quote
Guest Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, only1swanny said: Anti-bodies disappear, but the white blood cells remember how to make them. It's scare mongering by the media, Fancy Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, only1swanny said: Anti-bodies disappear, but the white blood cells remember how to make them. It's scare mongering by the media, Point is, there's no guarantee that you can't become ill again, which means outbreaks may still be possible. Big British study showed more about this. Quote
only1swanny Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Point is, there's no guarantee that you can't become ill again, which means outbreaks may still be possible. Big British study showed more about this. That's true but it's the same as any illness.. the difference is that second time round in theory, you will not have it for anywhere near as long. Saying this to Mrs Swanny last night, there's a chance when I felt drained about 2 weeks ago I could have caught it again, although I didn't have any symptoms aside from aching all over. Quote
kent_white Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, only1swanny said: Anti-bodies disappear, but the white blood cells remember how to make them. It's scare mongering by the media, Which is true - but them antibodies don't half help. Especially if you're old or poorly and your B and T cells are fooked! Quote
Guest Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, kent_white said: Which is true - but them antibodies don't half help. Especially if you're old or poorly and your B and T cells are fooked! We don't hear enough about T cells on here Quote
Zico Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, only1swanny said: Anti-bodies disappear, but the white blood cells remember how to make them. It's scare mongering by the media, Ah, ok, thanks for clearing that up Quote
only1swanny Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, kent_white said: Which is true - but them antibodies don't half help. Especially if you're old or poorly and your B and T cells are fooked! Aye granted it's better to have them armed and ready, I do remember reading years ago that natural created antibodies are more effective than vaccines? Over 1 million confirmed cases now, so there will be plenty who have it, that's not including all the ones who have not been tested and asymptomatic, Quote
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