Coronavirus

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Merry Christmas 

[Rudy]

Happy Holidays 

[deane koontz]

Happy Christmas

[Guest]

Save lives and the economy rather than Christmas

[Spider]

The rate it’s apparently going through us suggests we’ll have herd immunity by February.

 

[Winchester White]

11 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Now we’re out of the eu I'm hoping we don’t follow them headlong into full national lockdown.  

Needs fresh bait.

[Spider]

Bobby Ball died from Covid

Bloody loved Cannon and Ball as a kid

[Tonge moor green jacket]

10 hours ago, Farrelli said:

Why, is our current world beating strategy working? 

I reckon you'll need to define working. As is becoming increasingly apparent throughout the Western world, doesn't matter hugely what strategy is employed, none will work if it's ignored by many.

The local system has been adopted by most, and gradually numbers are still rising.

Full lockdowns seem to be on the way increasingly, but the question then is should governments all over be funding even greater numbers to stay at home, when some of them couldn't be arsed doing things properly when there was a modicum of normality?

Nature winning this one.

[Sweep]

59 minutes ago, Spider said:

The rate it’s apparently going through us suggests we’ll have herd immunity by February.

 

which would be great, but they're still not sure if herd immunity can exist with this virus, as there is talk that the antibodies might only last a short period of time (6-9 months)

Edited October 29, 2020 by Sweep

[Boby Brno]

21 minutes ago, Spider said:

Bobby Ball died from Covid

Bloody loved Cannon and Ball as a kid

Sad news.

He had a business buying and selling machine tools. One weekend at Hicks, I was walking on the empty shop floor and he was there, looking at a poster that our sports and social club put up for our forthcoming trip to see Cannon and Ball. I walked up beside him, looked at the poster then looked at him and he me. We both smiled, then walked off without saying a word.

RIP Bobby.

Edited October 29, 2020 by Boby Brno

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

To early to say on the current tier levels, but it ain’t working well anywhere in Europe, the previous draconian lockdowns kicked the can down the road but were here again 4/5 months later, we’re creating more problems financially and with other health conditions that’ll cost more lives over the long term. In short the cost of all this has given us 4/5 months grace, we can’t afford to do it again.

I think, to some extent, the previous lockdown did work, as the R rate went well below 1.0, but then we collectively let our guard down in August/September and it's now going back up. If you go back on this thread a couple of months, you 'll even find some people suggesting that there won't be a second wave, and we should crack on

We're going to be living with this thing for a very long time, I think we're all aware of that, and we've got another 12-18 months of restrictions to come. It's going to get a lot grimmer in the next few months. 

I'd rather we didn't, but in the next few weeks, we'll be going into a full lockdown again (Schools and Work still open...just hospitality and "non essential" retail shut down, and I'd expect that circuit break to be for a 3 to 4 week period.

[birch-chorley]

2 minutes ago, Sweep said:

which would be great, but they're still not sure if herd immunity can exist with this virus, as there is talk that the antibodies might only last a short period of time (6-9 months)

Isn’t it similar to the likes of Hong Kong flu from the 60’s, the antibodies wear off however the virus becomes less and less deadly and just becomes another strain of Winter Flu over time? 

I don’t think these things are ever eradicated even with a vaccine 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

11 minutes ago, Boby Brno said:

Sad news.

He had a business buying and selling machine tools. One weekend at Hicks, I was walking on the empty shop floor and he was there, looking at a poster that our sports and social club put up for our forthcoming trip to see Cannon and Ball. I walked up beside him, looked at the poster then looked at him and he me. We both smiled, then walked off without saying a word.

RIP Bobby.

Can’t believe you didn’t pull imaginary braces and say rock on Tommy. 😂 RIP Bobby. 

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I think, to some extent, the previous lockdown did work, as the R rate went well below 1.0, but then we collectively let our guard down in August/September and it's now going back up. If you go back on this thread a couple of months, you 'll even find some people suggesting that there won't be a second wave, and we should crack on

We're going to be living with this thing for a very long time, I think we're all aware of that, and we've got another 12-18 months of restrictions to come. It's going to get a lot grimmer in the next few months. 

I'd rather we didn't, but in the next few weeks, we'll be going into a full lockdown again (Schools and Work still open...just hospitality and "non essential" retail shut down, and I'd expect that circuit break to be for a 3 to 4 week period.

There’s no guarantee that it died down because of the lockdown and then flared up again because we became too lax.

[Sweep]

1 minute ago, birch-chorley said:

Isn’t it similar to the likes of Hong Kong flu from the 60’s, the antibodies wear off however the virus becomes less and less deadly and just becomes another strain of Winter Flu over time? 

I don’t think these things are ever eradicated even with a vaccine 

 

possibly, I really don't know.

There is so much misinformation about it's untrue. I was listening to somebody on LBC yesterday, some Doctor or other, who was saying that upwards of 90% of people can catch this virus, as there is very little natural immunity to it already around - and yet, I think it was Mounts who posted some article saying that possibly up to 70% of people have an inbuilt immunity to the virus  -  how on earth, can there be such wide statements/predictions within the medical world?

[Sweep]

3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

There’s no guarantee that it died down because of the lockdown and then flared up again because we became too lax.

I appreciate that, but it does seem that most places in the world where they locked down, the cases reduced, and then started to rise again once restrictions were eased.

If we'd done absolutely nothing at all, no masks, no lockdown, nothing.....I'm not so sure that it would have dipped of it's own accord and then started to rise again two months later, but that's my guess, and I appreciate that you probably think otherwise  - the fact is, and it's the only fact really, is that nobody has the first clue at all what is the right thing to do

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I appreciate that, but it does seem that most places in the world where they locked down, the cases reduced, and then started to rise again once restrictions were eased.

If we'd done absolutely nothing at all, no masks, no lockdown, nothing.....I'm not so sure that it would have dipped of it's own accord and then started to rise again two months later, but that's my guess, and I appreciate that you probably think otherwise  - the fact is, and it's the only fact really, is that nobody has the first clue at all what is the right thing to do

Oh, no, I don’t necessarily think otherwise. Like everyone, just searching for insights.

I think we just each need to do what we think is right.

I was thinking earlier; how many people are lying on their death bed regretting such and such course of action?

[Sweep]

Bugger.....talk of Tier 2 coming in around here in the next few weeks 😡

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I reckon you'll need to define working. As is becoming increasingly apparent throughout the Western world, doesn't matter hugely what strategy is employed, none will work if it's ignored by many.

The local system has been adopted by most, and gradually numbers are still rising.

Full lockdowns seem to be on the way increasingly, but the question then is should governments all over be funding even greater numbers to stay at home, when some of them couldn't be arsed doing things properly when there was a modicum of normality?

Nature winning this one.

Indeed, and that is my point to Mounts who refuses to accept this may have to be an option.  It is not palatable or welcomed by any of us but to say we should not follow the EU lockdowns whilst our own methods are failing is nonsensical.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Does anyone on here who's been asked to isolate by track and trace remember the contact number they rang through on by any chance?

I've had a missed call from an 01653 number and I think it might be them. I've tried to call back but there's no dial tone.

[Zico]

1 hour ago, boltondiver said:

There’s no guarantee that it died down because of the lockdown and then flared up again because we became too lax.

to be honest, I think we're past guarantees now

still on a massive learning curve

learn as you go, then we find out this

not good for thoughts of herd immunuity

I agree though, we need to do what we think is right from here on in

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54696873

Levels of protective antibodies in people wane "quite rapidly" after coronavirus infection, say researchers.

Antibodies are a key part of our immune defences and stop the virus from getting inside the body's cells.

The Imperial College London team found the number of people testing positive for antibodies has fallen by 26% between June and September.

They say immunity appears to be fading and there is a risk of catching the virus multiple times.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Does anyone on here who's been asked to isolate by track and trace remember the contact number they rang through on by any chance?

I've had a missed call from an 01653 number and I think it might be them. I've tried to call back but there's no dial tone.

Put the number into Google. Then check on the listings. It will soon show if its just some call centre or scammer.

[Zico]

13 hours ago, Escobarp said:

 I don’t compare scores mate you should know that. We’ve made a dogs dinner of it, but You cannot use deaths as a measure of how it’s been handled. Unless it is calculated on the same basis. But Even then you need to factor in economic decline etc etc. 
 

im not saying Germany are doing it right or wrong. Again I’ve been consistent in that. What works for one doesn’t necessarily work for another. Germans as a nation are much easier to control than brits. They are more inclined to obey rules. Same as the kitchen sinks , albeit for different reasons. 
 

 

excess deaths is probably the only way to compare

because that should include everyone who has died no matter how it's recorded

that data isn't as real time though, but it's still there

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2256986-england-wales-had-most-excess-deaths-in-europes-covid-19-first-wave/

I also agree that we're probably our worst enemy, when it comes to collectively towing the line

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Put the number into Google. Then check on the listings. It will soon show if its just some call centre or scammer.

Aye, I did that but the results don't show the links to those kind of sites like they do with call centre numbers.

[gonzo]

2 hours ago, Spider said:

Bobby Ball died from Covid

Bloody loved Cannon and Ball as a kid

Died at the vic, didnt realise he lived over this way