Coronavirus

[Tonge moor green jacket]

37 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

That's true but it's the same as any illness.. the difference is that second time round in theory, you will not have it for anywhere near as long. 

Saying this to Mrs Swanny last night, there's a chance when I felt drained about 2 weeks ago I could have caught it again, although I didn't have any symptoms aside from aching all over.

Unfortunately, it isn't necessarily the case. There's one doc type that the bbc use a lot, and he was saying that some a having a worse do second time round.

Either way, it still makes herd immunity very difficult. 

[mickbrown]

4 hours ago, Spider said:

Bin men round our way have called their truck Dennis

Used to be a customer of mine in a previous life

[Spider]

6 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Used to be a customer of mine in a previous life

What, the Bin Men?

Bet your bedsheets stank

[MancWanderer]

We are at such an early stage with this virus (doesn’t feel like it though) that it’s way too early to speculate about immunity/mutation. It’s fairly sure that it’s not a virus like flu or the common cold that constantly mutate and come back like a fucker every year. Without boring folk about “antigenic shifts” some viruses mutate but not in a way that means that it’s constantly different every time and you can repeatedly reinfect and suffer. Please come back @peelyfeet and explain it better than me

I remember being sat in a talk from a virologist from Stepping Hill Hospital in the mid 80’s talking about a virus being spread by bumders from California who were fisting each other. He reckoned that it would die out within a couple of years due to the type of virus that it was. Loon!!

[birch-chorley]

1 hour ago, ZicoKelly said:

Starting to see more and more suggestions that herd immunity isn't possible

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8889269/amp/Russian-professor-69-infected-Covid-19-twice-says-herd-immunity-impossible.html.

And the Swedish guy agrees

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-herd-immunity-sweden-covid-cases-anders-tegnell-b1421541.html%3famp

And that article says Sweden did a lockdown last week

I don’t think ‘herd immunity’ has ever been fully possible. I think the idea is that if you let it run then like any seasonal virus it quickly works it’s way through the population in a short time then recedes quickly as it’s burnt through a lot of the possible hosts, reducing the R number below 1 until it’s in very small transmission. Example being winter flu, that comes and goes with peaks and troughs, not everyone gets it / shows symptoms 

Idea behind ‘herd immunity’ is that you’d only need to shield the vulnerable for a few months until it burns out. Then you have a few months as normal and go again with the shielding when it starts back up. 85% of the population go about as normal throughout 

To be fair, I don’t believe a vaccine would fully eradicate this virus. It will become just like a Winter flu and will go on killing for many years yet, vaccines required each year with varying levels of success 

They got the Winter flu vaccine wrong in 2018 and I think an extra 50k died in the U.K. because of it (more than has died from Covid thus far) 

[birch-chorley]

12 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

We are at such an early stage with this virus (doesn’t feel like it though) that it’s way too early to speculate about immunity/mutation. It’s fairly sure that it’s not a virus like flu or the common cold that constantly mutate and come back like a fucker every year. Without boring folk about “antigenic shifts” some viruses mutate but not in a way that means that it’s constantly different every time and you can repeatedly reinfect and suffer. Please come back @peelyfeet and explain it better than me

I remember being sat in a talk from a virologist from Stepping Hill Hospital in the mid 80’s talking about a virus being spread by bumders from California who were fisting each other. He reckoned that it would die out within a couple of years due to the type of virus that it was. Loon!!

I might be wrong then 😂

I was of the understanding that winter flu viruses like the H3N2 strain, that caused havoc in 2018 had been about for decades and the reason you can keep catching it is that you lose your immunity 

[royal white]

1 hour ago, ZicoKelly said:

Brazil have the second highest number of deaths

Looking at the graph they're are still in the middle of wave one

Belarus probably haven't even noticed

I’ve just looked, Brazil’s stats aren’t to different from ours and they seem to be on a down trend. 
Belarus deaths have been consistent throughout (around 4 a day) but cases are now beginning to rise.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

7 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

I might be wrong then 😂

I was of the understanding that winter flu viruses like the H3N2 strain, that caused havoc in 2018 had been about for decades and the reason you can keep catching it is that you lose your immunity 

Think both might be true there.

The scientist this morning was saying that the current mutations wouldn't need a different vaccine. 

 

[MancWanderer]

35 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

I might be wrong then 😂

I was of the understanding that winter flu viruses like the H3N2 strain, that caused havoc in 2018 had been about for decades and the reason you can keep catching it is that you lose your immunity 

I wish that I could explain it in a really easy way. Years ago I was involved with an immunisation for the RSV virus. It comes around every year around August/September time and lasts til March. Adults may get a sniffle. 90% of kids under 2 have had it and are ill and stream gallons of snot. Premature babies end up in ICU. Thing is the immunisation is pretty much identical every year. The virus mutates but not in a way that means a massive difference. So it’s  an immunisation rather than a vaccine. But it’s still a respiratory virus. Wish I could properly explain 

[victor meldrew]

1 hour ago, birch-chorley said:

They got the Winter flu vaccine wrong in 2018 and I think an extra 50k died in the U.K. because of it (more than has died from Covid thus far) 

and never really reported it as a disaster

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[Tonge moor green jacket]

https://www.nps.org.au/consumers/vaccines-and-immunisation#what-is-vaccination?

Just had a browse at this, some useful information. 

[mickbrown]

2 hours ago, Spider said:

What, the Bin Men?

Bet your bedsheets stank

They did but nowt to do with the bin men. 

The people that made the wagons not the blokes. Obviously

[MickyD]

They also made fire engines. I preferred Leyland .

[radcliffe white]

London’s burning had Dennis fire engines

great viewing 

[Dimron]

Dennis have a centrifugal pump which gets the water out of the hydrant more efficiently

 

[MickyD]

8 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Dennis have a centrifugal pump which gets the water out of the hydrant more efficiently

 

No they don’t. Water cones out of a hydrant under pressure of the water main.

[MickyD]

Although how we got to centrifugal pumps from Corona Virus, I have no idea.

[superjohnmcginlay]

National lockdown being announced Monday according to the times 

 

 

[Dimron]

31 minutes ago, MickyD said:

 

 

Edited October 30, 2020 by Dimron

[Dimron]

27 minutes ago, MickyD said:

 

 

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[Dimron]

Sorry but let's stick to the narrative... its vey important

[emus wig]

46 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Dennis have a centrifugal pump which gets the water out of the hydrant more efficiently

 

Is it like Henry the hoovers 😐

[Sweep]

40 minutes ago, superjohnmcginlay said:

National lockdown being announced Monday according to the times 

 

 

Heard that, its coming sooner or later though, so I guess we may as well just get on with it

[radcliffe white]

4 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Heard that, its coming sooner or later though, so I guess we may as well just get on with it

Depends on what is classed as a lockdown 

[Sweep]

3 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Depends on what is classed as a lockdown 

True. At a guess, all hospitality and "non essential" retail forces to close. Schools and manufacturing kept open. No meeting of anybody outside your own household.