Slow news day? The real deal? End of the world? 
 

They’re saying it probably came from an animal, has Somebody been shagging monkeys again? 

3 minutes ago, gonzo said:

They should roll out covid holidays.

You get two weeks full pay, get covid, ride it out, then its done with. 

Jobs a goodn and we can all stop being massive benders.

 

You should pitch that to Chris Whitty. The Gonzo plan. Have a fortnight at home probably felling like shit,  with a slight chance of hospitalisation, long term issues or if you're unlucky, bit of death. 

Where do I sign up.😄

17 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Looking interesting in Sweden

Gone against the tide and don’t seem any worse off. Interesting.

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Don't blame her/him.

Primary are supposed to be the lowest risk, it secondary that may be more problematic. 

Been told by a pupil at St Catherine's that masks were virtually non existent in corridors this week, loads of kids all crammed into them, no distancing and all moving about together.

Doesnt sound promising. 

Sounds bull..

We've had to become mask police indoors. 

Come in, sit down mask off.. mask on stand behind desks etc. 

Kids wearing them in class just wouldn't work. 

Sweden strikes me as a place with a much lower percentage of dickheads

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

Sweden strikes me as a place with a much lower percentage of dickheads

Should've gone San Antonio in Ibiza circa 81 to see the young swedes in action.

6 minutes ago, Spider said:

Sweden strikes me as a place with a much lower percentage of dickheads

You ever been on holiday and come across the Scandinavians??? Sounds like not 😁

I just think Sweden possibly got it right? 
 

They had a huge number of cases I think per 100k of the population but just got on with it. Have learnt to live with it and now have herd immunity maybe? 

20 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Sounds bull..

We've had to become mask police indoors. 

Come in, sit down mask off.. mask on stand behind desks etc. 

Kids wearing them in class just wouldn't work. 

From a pupil herself. She wasn't too impressed. Perhaps overblown a bit as is possibly the way with teenagers,  but no reason for her to lie.

Don't accept wearing them in class can't work, as has been said, its happening elsewhere. 

Easy enough to speak to folk in shops etc.

One thing for sure, if you dont try, you'll never know, and if it helps to keep kids in school then that's no bad thing.

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Edited September 12, 20205 yr by DaisyHWanderer

11 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

From a pupil herself. She wasn't too impressed. Perhaps overblown a bit as is possibly the way with teenagers,  but no reason for her to lie.

Don't accept wearing them in class can't work, as has been said, its happening elsewhere. 

Easy enough to speak to folk in shops etc.

One thing for sure, if you dont try, you'll never know, and if it helps to keep kids in school then that's no bad thing.

My lads say some teachers in their school enforce masks, others don't. Had a message from school today advising that they can now exclude pupils who don't adhere.

Edited September 12, 20205 yr by peelyfeet

 

52 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Sounds bull..

We've had to become mask police indoors. 

Come in, sit down mask off.. mask on stand behind desks etc. 

Kids wearing them in class just wouldn't work. 

See my post on Spain. Other countries are doing the same. (Wearing them) Let’s see who is right or not. No one knows for sure. 

47 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

You ever been on holiday and come across the Scandinavians??? Sounds like not 😁

I just think Sweden possibly got it right? 
 

They had a huge number of cases I think per 100k of the population but just got on with it. Have learnt to live with it and now have herd immunity maybe? 

The Swedes are a very pragmatic bunch. Even though there was very little in the way of official Government mandated lockdown rules, they took it into their own hands. Most offices shut down with folk working from home, mask wearing is very well adhered to also. They just do the obvious well and expect others to also.

I work for a Swedish company and they have very strict guidelines for working across all units worldwide.  They do not envisage nor expect people to return to their offices any time soon. In fact they have only opened our main UK office for those struggling to work from home due to lack of space for example.

Sweden's had a few days of better figures than others, case wise, but their death rate per million is massive, 5 times higher than Germany and Denmark,  11 times higher than Norway, 20 Iceland, 

They're the darlings of British and US lockdown sceptics. 

2 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Sweden's had a few days of better figures than others, case wise, but their death rate per million is massive, 5 times higher than Germany and Denmark,  11 times higher than Norway, 20 Iceland, 

They're the darlings of British and US lockdown sceptics. 

But how is their economy faring compared to those? It’s a tough one this said it all along. 

4 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Sweden's had a few days of better figures than others, case wise, but their death rate per million is massive, 5 times higher than Germany and Denmark,  11 times higher than Norway, 20 Iceland, 

They're the darlings of British and US lockdown sceptics. 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
 

this accurate?

2 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Sweden's had a few days of better figures than others, case wise, but their death rate per million is massive, 5 times higher than Germany and Denmark,  11 times higher than Norway, 20 Iceland, 

They're the darlings of British and US lockdown sceptics. 

I’m not a sceptic but I suppose people will be looking at how they compare with us and Spain and France.

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
 

this accurate?

Looks it

2 minutes ago, Boby Brno said:

I’m not a sceptic but I suppose people will be looking at how they compare with us and Spain and 

You can compare the various strategies here.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?year=2020-09-06&time=2020-01-22..latest&region=Europe

2 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Looks it

Cheers.
 

half of their deaths were in care homes. So less than 3k out of general population have died from the virus and they’ve kept schools opens and most businesses open with no real lockdown. 
 

Their economy is outperforming the eu as a whole over the period of the pandemic and is significantly outperforming the UK, France and Spanish economies. And crucially is forecast to continue to do so for some time. 
 

as such it would appear to me they’ve got this about right in terms of balance.  But that’s just my opinion.  

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Cheers.
 

half of their deaths were in care homes. So less than 3k out of general population have died from the virus and they’ve kept schools opens and most businesses open with no real lockdown. 
 

Their economy is outperforming the eu as a whole over the period of the pandemic and is significantly outperforming the UK, France and Spanish economies. And crucially is forecast to continue to do so for some time. 
 

as such it would appear to me they’ve got this about right in terms of balance.  But that’s just my opinion.  

I’ve always said it’s difficult to compare the  actions taken by different countries. Germany has always been the go to comparison for most. When this is all over, it will be interesting to compare Sweden with the rest of Europe though. 

9 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

You can compare the various strategies here.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?year=2020-09-06&time=2020-01-22..latest&region=Europe

Thanks. I don’t have much to do this weekend.😳

8 minutes ago, Boby Brno said:

I’ve always said it’s difficult to compare the  actions taken by different countries. Germany has always been the go to comparison for most. When this is all over, it will be interesting to compare Sweden with the rest of Europe though. 

It is difficult but it’s now starting to be feasible to draw comparisons.  At the start folk just comparing death number etc told one part of the story. I’ve always said it’s about so much more including economic performance and welfare of the population.  We can now start to form opinions and comparisons. And from what I see, Sweden , have done ok in comparison and thus having taken a very different approach. 
 

also I’m not doing it to say how well we have done or to slag/praise our government. Just looking for a path out of this as whats happening currently and further on the horizon is grim if we carry on. 

Edited September 11, 20205 yr by Escobarp

25 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Cheers.
 

half of their deaths were in care homes. So less than 3k out of general population have died from the virus and they’ve kept schools opens and most businesses open with no real lockdown. 
 

Their economy is outperforming the eu as a whole over the period of the pandemic and is significantly outperforming the UK, France and Spanish economies. And crucially is forecast to continue to do so for some time. 
 

as such it would appear to me they’ve got this about right in terms of balance.  But that’s just my opinion.  

When compared to us yeah, but theres no great difference between the economic situation in the other nordics. I'd much rather be in Copenhagen than Malmo

https://insights.nordea.com/en/insights/spending-is-back-the-nordic-recovery-from-coronavirus/

Edited September 11, 20205 yr by peelyfeet

3 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

When compared to us yeah, but theres no great difference between the economic situation in the other nordics. I'd much rather be Copenhagen than Malmo

https://insights.nordea.com/en/insights/spending-is-back-the-nordic-recovery-from-coronavirus/

I would rather be both than the UK. Or Spain France Or Italy for that matter. 
 

we need our economy to bounce back and the way we are heading we will do the opposite and simply cripple ourselves for a decade minimum if we lockdown again. 

Bolton would be the fourth biggest urban area in Sweden, we have 13 bigger than the second biggest and Manchester is bigger than the capital. Added to this the social and economical difference and we are not able to compare the two in my opinion. They did what works for them and I don't think it would necessarily work for us.