Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Morizio]

5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Russia can’t afford sanctions from the west therefore I don’t think they’ll invade. 

In what way would sanctions affect them? 

[Rudy]

What sanctions would be applied 

[Winchester White]

Stop buying their gas. Which at a time of unprecedented gas prices is just wonderful.

[MickyD]

We won’t buy any gas off them. That’ll learn them. 

[Cheese]

11 minutes ago, Rudy said:

What sanctions would be applied 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60125659

"Such is the scale of Russian money in banks and property in the UK that the capital has been dubbed "Londongrad"."

Seeing as half the fucking cabinet accept donations from people with close ties to Russian Oligarchs, KGB agents, and other prominent Russian business people, we'll probably do fuck all. A British Citizen was inadvertently murdered by them in Salisbury a few years ago, and fuck all happened apart from a BBC Drama. They blew a Malaysian passenger jet out of the sky by accident and faced no consequences. It seems they can do whatever the fuck they want.

Edited February 13, 2022 by Cheese

[Spider]

A Putin biographer and expert has this to say…

I think from his point of view, you know, he’s 69. He can rule for only some years to come politically, but he’s probably getting old and he’s getting tired. It’s fairly obvious that he is tired and bored with much of the job. The last thing he wants is for his legacy in the history books to be the guy who lost Ukraine, the guy who rolled over and let NATO and the West have their way.

So I think this is also about him feeling this is … I wouldn’t say his last chance, but one of his last chances to stand up for Russia and make sure that Russia asserts its real place in the world, forces the West to acknowledge that and in the process, that’s what gets him into the history books, [so] he’s a chapter rather than just a paragraph.

[Spider]

He may bottle it.

But he is obsessed with how he will go down in history.

This is the pinch point.

Sanctions mean fuck all to him.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Sanctions may mean nothing to him, but they will to some of his acolytes, and more importantly to the Russian people.

Talk of suspending the country from the international banking system; don't shoot the messenger, but those commentators who were discussing this were saying it would completely fuck over the economy there.

What he doesn't need is huge internal strife whilst trying to conduct a military campaign. 

 

[Spider]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Sanctions may mean nothing to him, but they will to some of his acolytes, and more importantly to the Russian people.

Talk of suspending the country from the international banking system; don't shoot the messenger, but those commentators who were discussing this were saying it would completely fuck over the economy there.

What he doesn't need is huge internal strife whilst trying to conduct a military campaign. 

 

Totally agree

But you have to factor in that he just sees himself as the last of the true Soviets.

The older you get, the less you give a fuck. Narcissism envelops certain types of people who won’t be told they’re wrong.

If he’s bluffing, he’s going to extraordinary lengths. The last time they assembled troops like this they did so without any back up (field hospitals, large scale fuel storage etc…) - this time, they’ve got the full kit and caboodle.

If they’re skint, they’re throwing a huge effort at a bluff.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

6 minutes ago, Spider said:

Totally agree

But you have to factor in that he just sees himself as the last of the true Soviets.

The older you get, the less you give a fuck. Narcissism envelops certain types of people who won’t be told they’re wrong.

If he’s bluffing, he’s going to extraordinary lengths. The last time they assembled troops like this they did so without any back up (field hospitals, large scale fuel storage etc…) - this time, they’ve got the full kit and caboodle.

If they’re skint, they’re throwing a huge effort at a bluff.

That's the point of the ultimate sanctions. Can pay their soldiers however many rubles they want, but if they won't buy much they're worth nowt.

Fuck their pears.

[Marc505]

15 minutes ago, Spider said:

He may bottle it.

But he is obsessed with how he will go down in history.

This is the pinch point.

Sanctions mean fuck all to him.

Been saying it on here for ages and I've seen you saying the same, he wants to be seen as the man who restored Russia's greatness after years of ridicule particularly during the 90s when they became a laughing stock.

International sabre rattling, getting involved in regional conflicts such as in Syria, flying bombers near UK and sailing their navy around the world is one thing - but actually reclaiming territory he believes is Russian and putting a buffer between them and NATO who they (rightly or wrongly) genuinely believe has expansionist intentions, is quite another and is what will secure his legacy as a great Russian leader for the history books.

And if you've already been twatted with sanctions for years, who cares if you incur more for the sake of making Russia great again. (MRGA)

[Spider]

4 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

Been saying it on here for ages and I've seen you saying the same, he wants to be seen as the man who restored Russia's greatness after years of ridicule particularly during the 90s when they became a laughing stock.

International sabre rattling, getting involved in regional conflicts such as in Syria, flying bombers near UK and sailing their navy around the world is one thing - but actually reclaiming territory he believes is Russian and putting a buffer between them and NATO who they (rightly or wrongly) genuinely believe has expansionist intentions, is quite another and is what will secure his legacy as a great Russian leader for the history books.

And if you've already been twatted with sanctions for years, who cares if you incur more for the sake of making Russia great again. (MRGA)

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[MalcolmW]

58 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Sanctions may mean nothing to him, but they will to some of his acolytes, and more importantly to the Russian people.

Talk of suspending the country from the international banking system; don't shoot the messenger, but those commentators who were discussing this were saying it would completely fuck over the economy there.

What he doesn't need is huge internal strife whilst trying to conduct a military campaign. 

 

European banks have massive loans out to Russia. Germany in particular will not easily accept  a strong sanction arrangement (and they want their gas supply).

[gonzo]

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

Stop buying their gas. Which at a time of unprecedented gas prices is just wonderful.

We barely get any gas from Russia anyway.

Germany on the other hand....

[Spider]

It’s hardly 1939

Vlad simply wants to seal his legacy.

He’d probably be happy with Ukraine and a Baltic state before calling it a day and getting his statue in Red Square.

There’s no need for the west to panic.

African countries change borders all the time but we barely notice because all they have is sand, a few diamonds and a steady supply of top notch footballers.

If it wasn’t for the gas, this would be a footnote on page 4

[gonzo]

Its a global superpower threatening to invade another country because it doesnt like the way its ran.

Hardly chip paper stuff 🤣🤣

[Spider]

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

Its a global superpower threatening to invade another country because it doesnt like the way its ran.

Hardly chip paper stuff 🤣🤣

It was slightly tongue in cheek, but genuinely shit like this is happening somewhere most of the time.

We just send a few guns and an elderly ambassador usually

[Cheese]

Just now, Spider said:

It was slightly tongue in cheek, but genuinely shit like this is happening somewhere most of the time.

We just send a few guns and an elderly ambassador usually

Or Liz Truss in this case... Who single-handedly humiliated an entire nation on the Global stage due to her abject ineptitude. Don't know who said it, but "If you elect a clown, the clown doesn't become a king - his nation becomes a circus."

[Spider]

Liz Truss was cringeworthy and embarrassing but it’s what we’ve come to expect from this government.

Its not longer a surprise that we’re represented by a gaggle of entitled popinjays who are treating their tenure like it’s an amusing, satirical play they’ve all been given a role in for the end of term assembly.

“Here’s fun! I’ve rewritten a Sheridan piece so that we’re all, erm, an actual government cabinet. Oink, snort. Imagine putting us in charge of the proles haw haw haw!!”

[Marc505]

Couple of B-52s just took off from Fairford on a training mission, goodbye to anyone's peaceful Sunday nights sleep down Gloucester way!

[Tonge moor green jacket]

12 hours ago, MalcolmW said:

European banks have massive loans out to Russia. Germany in particular will not easily accept  a strong sanction arrangement (and they want their gas supply).

The Germans are a fly in the ointment.

These loans would be a concern, but there's also suggestion of an asset freeze- certain oligarchs may be uneasy about their chunk of London real estate or business taken away.

[mickbrown]

32 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

The Germans are a fly in the ointment.

These loans would be a concern, but there's also suggestion of an asset freeze- certain oligarchs may be uneasy about their chunk of London real estate or business taken away.

I suggested that a few pages back. Visionary or knobhead on a third division football team's messageboard?

I also said it would never happen. The government's whole relationship with Russia and Russian's is just weird. The cynic in me would suspect they have few of them by the balls.

Johnson appointed a KGB agent's son to the House of Lords for fucks sake. Thatcher would be spinning in her grave at that.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

14 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

I suggested that a few pages back. Visionary or knobhead on a third division football team's messageboard?

I also said it would never happen. The government's whole relationship with Russia and Russian's is just weird. The cynic in me would suspect they have few of them by the balls.

Johnson appointed a KGB agent's son to the House of Lords for fucks sake. Thatcher would be spinning in her grave at that.

They've been banging on about assets in London for years Mick.

Still waiting for another bill to come in to reinforce laws already in place to make such things easier. Needs to get sorted quickly. 

[Cheese]

6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

They've been banging on about assets in London for years Mick.

Still waiting for another bill to come in to reinforce laws already in place to make such things easier. Needs to get sorted quickly. 

It's not going to happen any time soon under this Regime.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/quarter-boris-johnsons-cabinet-took-25123091

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

The Germans are a fly in the ointment.

These loans would be a concern, but there's also suggestion of an asset freeze- certain oligarchs may be uneasy about their chunk of London real estate or business taken away.

I just can't see our Government doing that, we love the dirty Russian (as well as Arab and Chinese) money sloshing around our capital city, no way do we want to be curtailing that.