Marc505 Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, gonzo said: Just how that caspian dude called it. He wants it all split up like independent states. Divide and conquer. Yep, and there's absolutely no question that "free" elections in each of these newly "independent" territories will be heavily leaned on by Russia to ensure they get a favourable leader in. Putin's chat on telly tonight, fucking hell. You can see it said over and over by regular people on the news or social media or a football forum about how he wants to be seen as the man who restored Russia's greatness after their shame during the 90s, but to see him himself actually coming out with rhetoric about Russia being robbed by the breakup of the Soviet Union just says all you need to know. The guy belongs in the 70s and 80s. Quote
Spider Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Marc505 said: Yep, and there's absolutely no question that "free" elections in each of these newly "independent" territories will be heavily leaned on by Russia to ensure they get a favourable leader in. Putin's chat on telly tonight, fucking hell. You can see it said over and over by regular people on the news or social media or a football forum about how he wants to be seen as the man who restored Russia's greatness after their shame during the 90s, but to see him himself actually coming out with rhetoric about Russia being robbed by the breakup of the Soviet Union just says all you need to know. The guy belongs in the 70s and 80s. Legacy. Broken record, I know, but he’s wanted a legacy since day one. To a dyed in the wool Soviet like him, this is the only legacy that counts. Im only surprised that flag next to him doesn’t have a hammer and sickle on it. He’s all but directly quoting Stalin. Quote
Marc505 Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Spider said: Legacy. Broken record, I know, but he’s wanted a legacy since day one. To a dyed in the wool Soviet like him, this is the only legacy that counts. Im only surprised that flag next to him doesn’t have a hammer and sickle on it. He’s all but directly quoting Stalin. I'm watching the reaction on RT, interesting to see it analysed from the other side (although still sounds like a load of shit to me). Bird in the news studio says they've been sent photos of people in Donetsk watching Putin's address and have got the champagne out. They're now carrying live scenes of people celebrating the news in Ukraine. There's about 5 people there ffs. Quote
kent_white Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Marc505 said: I'm watching the reaction on RT, interesting to see it analysed from the other side (although still sounds like a load of shit to me). Bird in the news studio says they've been sent photos of people in Donetsk watching Putin's address and have got the champagne out. They're now carrying live scenes of people celebrating the news in Ukraine. There's about 5 people there ffs. Yeah very interesting watching RT's take on it. You have to wonder how much of this the Russian public are taking in? Or whether they're savvy enough to read between the lines? Quote
Marc505 Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, kent_white said: Yeah very interesting watching RT's take on it. You have to wonder how much of this the Russian public are taking in? Or whether they're savvy enough to read between the lines? I've had to switch it off it's a bit much. I know the exact same accusations could be thrown at BBC but it's pure propaganda this, talking about "endless NATO drills" and NATO creating new bases etc. NATO are on exercises all the time, no mention of the 150,000 Russian troops on Ukraines border and the massive live fire exercise they've just concluded with Belarus. These scenes of celebration are absolutely laughable how can she say that with a straight face? There's more who follow MK away. Edited February 21, 2022 by Marc505 Quote
kent_white Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Marc505 said: I've had to switch it off it's a bit much. I know the exact same accusations could be thrown at BBC but it's pure propaganda this, talking about "endless NATO drills" and NATO creating new bases etc. NATO are on exercises all the time, no mention of the 150,000 Russian troops on Ukraines border and the massive live fire exercise they've just concluded with Belarus. These scenes of celebration are absolutely laughable how can she say that with a straight face? There's more who follow MK away. I think with the BBC there's at least the pretence of trying to offer a Russian perspective. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 RT must be taken off air. Keeps getting mentioned in the house of commons but doesn't get blocked. It's a farce. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 As for the action- still not convinced a full scale invasion is on the cards. The "recognition" of the areas to the east may well be the pretext to a land grab, and subsequent buffer zone between Russia and the west. Quote
Zico Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Marc505 said: Recognising regions of Ukraine as independent so Russia can go in and "liberate" them from Ukrainian oppression. Make your attack look like defence, and everyone else is the aggressor. Does this mean we'd see more of less of Shaktar Donetsk in the Champions League? Quote
Spider Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Zico said: Does this mean we'd see more of less of Shaktar Donetsk in the Champions League? They’ll be called CSKA Donetsk now Quote
Morizio Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: As for the action- still not convinced a full scale invasion is on the cards. The "recognition" of the areas to the east may well be the pretext to a land grab, and subsequent buffer zone between Russia and the west. On what are you basing this? Quote
Spider Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: As for the action- still not convinced a full scale invasion is on the cards. The "recognition" of the areas to the east may well be the pretext to a land grab, and subsequent buffer zone between Russia and the west. Those independent states will now ask for Russian assistance to defend themselves. There may not be many shots fired, but the invasion is all but complete now. Quote
Rudy Posted February 21, 2022 Author Posted February 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Spider said: Those independent states will now ask for Russian assistance to defend themselves. There may not be many shots fired, but the invasion is all but complete now. Quote
Rudy Posted February 21, 2022 Author Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) wrong Thread Edited February 21, 2022 by Rudy Quote
Marc505 Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Zico said: Does this mean we'd see more of less of Shaktar Donetsk in the Champions League? More but they might be playing in Germany for home games! Still hard to believe that the very stadium England beat Ukraine in Euro 2012 was half destroyed by the end of 2014 Edited February 21, 2022 by Marc505 Years screwed Quote
Spider Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, Rudy said: I’ve been on very important manoeuvres Quote
Rudy Posted February 21, 2022 Author Posted February 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Spider said: I’ve been on very important manoeuvres Not you, the new independent Russians Quote
Spider Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Rudy said: Not you, the new independent Russians Mine were better Quote
Farrelli Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 Putin is an absolute crackpot. There is no chance he is backing down now. We have to react with hard economic sanctions and bans in sport for all Russian competitors. The difficulty is presenting a united front from the west and further problems in neighbouring countries like Poland, Estonia, etc. Quote
Spider Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Putin is an absolute crackpot. There is no chance he is backing down now. We have to react with hard economic sanctions and bans in sport for all Russian competitors. The difficulty is presenting a united front from the west and further problems in neighbouring countries like Poland, Estonia, etc. He’ll now go on a charm offensive with “Russians” in every former Soviet state. ”Look what you can have” He doesn’t give a fuck about footballers, figure skaters and Oligarchs. Quote
Youri McAnespie Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 He gets bummed at night by Nigerian minders, his favourite film is 'Maid in Manhattan' - he's queer and shits himself because his ringer is kaput - if he sends Russians into anywhere they'll give up immediately and be eating eggs and shagging any spare Ukraine girls - they'll fuck that pufter off at the toss of a helmet. Quote
Farrelli Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, Spider said: He’ll now go on a charm offensive with “Russians” in every former Soviet state. ”Look what you can have” He doesn’t give a fuck about footballers, figure skaters and Oligarchs. No he doesn’t care but when sports people defect it makes headlines. The losers are the ordinary Russian people who I feel very sorry for but what else can be done? Hard economic sanctions will weaken his position even though he will snuff out any opposition. Quote
Marc505 Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 The time is approaching, fucking horrible. Quote
Farrelli Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Marc505 said: The time is approaching, fucking horrible. Aye, desperate. Edited February 21, 2022 by Farrelli Quote
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