Meanwhile in Ukraine

[BobyBrno]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

I might have been distracted - but I don't remember anywhere near this level of coverage/alarm when Russia annexed Crimea. Did I just miss all the hype or was it all much lower key at the time?

Look at the Putin thread that I started in 2015. Having interests in that part of the world, it’s always been of interest to me. I’ve said previously that people are more interested in the west and ignoring things in the east.

There was a Trump thread that went on for ever and no one was interested in Putin.

Blame the media or ignorance of the general public?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Putin has made it into other threads in fairness.

For me, I reckon many leaders in the West have been waiting for him to get old and die, or to lose his grip and get bumped off. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

8 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Putin has made it into other threads in fairness.

For me, I reckon many leaders in the West have been waiting for him to get old and die, or to lose his grip and get bumped off. 

No doubt. His replacement's foreign policy will be exactly the same but they might be less competent.

[gonzo]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Really?

Testing ballistic missiles, but I can't see them doing so with nuclear warheads

https://news.sky.com/liveblog-webview/ukraine-latest-updates-russian-and-us-defence-ministers-hold-crunch-talks-as-nato-ally-says-everything-is-possible-in-ukraine-12541713

 

They are doing nuclear drills tomorrow 

[Dimron]

Going to be shock and awe or fuck all

[Tonge moor green jacket]

9 minutes ago, gonzo said:

https://news.sky.com/liveblog-webview/ukraine-latest-updates-russian-and-us-defence-ministers-hold-crunch-talks-as-nato-ally-says-everything-is-possible-in-ukraine-12541713

 

They are doing nuclear drills tomorrow 

Aye, just practicing and posturing. 

There'd be little point in lobbing a nuke next door- they'd likely get the fallout themselves.

 

[Dimron]

31 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Aye, just practicing and posturing. 

There'd be little point in lobbing a nuke next door- they'd likely get the fallout themselves.

 

Especially as Ukraine already have Chernobyl

[e2e4]

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

Look at the Putin thread that I started in 2015. Having interests in that part of the world, it’s always been of interest to me. I’ve said previously that people are more interested in the west and ignoring things in the east.

There was a Trump thread that went on for ever and no one was interested in Putin.

Blame the media or ignorance of the general public?

the putin seizing the crimea thing happened under obama and joe. 

in 2014

[BobyBrno]

1 minute ago, e2e4 said:

the putin seizing the crimea thing happened under obama and joe. 

in 2014

Yep. No one gave a shit. That’s my point. 

[e2e4]

10 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Yep. No one gave a shit. That’s my point. 

during the last (?) Ukraine-Russ ruck they even had russian rebels mistakenly shoot a mobile surface to air missle at a malay passenger plane with anglos and allsorts on and nowt happened. 

 

 

Edited February 18, 2022 by e2e4
typos

[BobyBrno]

14000 killed. The Minsk Agreement a farce. It’s been building up to this for a while and the western media has ignored it. 

[kent_white]

19 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

14000 killed. The Minsk Agreement a farce. It’s been building up to this for a while and the western media has ignored it. 

I hadn't even heard of it until about 2 weeks ago. 

[Rudy]

Right you lot can fuck off 

Antagonising our new overlords 

I warned you 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

58 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Yep. No one gave a shit. That’s my point. 

The ever increasing influence of social media.

[TroySwoosh]

Been following this reporter, propaganda seems to building up within russia tonight

 

https://twitter.com/OlgaNYC1211

 

 

 

p.s how the hell do you embed twitter?

[Cheese]

12 minutes ago, TroySwoosh said:

Been following this reporter, propaganda seems to building up within russia tonight

 

https://twitter.com/OlgaNYC1211

 

 

 

p.s how the hell do you embed twitter?

You can't embed Twitter profiles, only individual tweets.

 

[TroySwoosh]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

You can't embed Twitter profiles, only individual tweets.

how? never works for me

 

 

 

 

maybe I should upgrade windows xp

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, TroySwoosh said:

how? never works for me

maybe I should upgrade windows xp

I just copy the link and paste it. Doesn't always work on mobile.

[TroySwoosh]

 

aha! many thanks

[Marc505]

Anyone in any doubt about Putin and his mob's brazen approach to body counts only needs to look at their handling of the Beslan and Moscow Theatre seiges.

They make the Waco operation look like a hearts and minds campaign.

Edited February 18, 2022 by Marc505

[Rudy]

If they steam into Ukraine what would our involvement be? Supporting Ukraine with equipment is that it?

[kent_white]

13 minutes ago, Rudy said:

If they steam into Ukraine what would our involvement be? Supporting Ukraine with equipment is that it?

Yes and sanctions. But who knows if public opinion changed - or there was some kind of mistake.....

[Marc505]

15 minutes ago, Rudy said:

If they steam into Ukraine what would our involvement be? Supporting Ukraine with equipment is that it?

Yes, we're not treaty bound to intervene directly. We've stacked up assets in neighbouring countries that are NATO members as a show of force but otherwise it will be a case of supplying money and weapons to Ukraine.

Classic war by proxy. If Ukraine ever became our enemy, its those weapons we would be facing.

[Rudy]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

Yes and sanctions. But who knows if public opinion changed - or there was some kind of mistake.....

 

57 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

Yes, we're not treaty bound to intervene directly. We've stacked up assets in neighbouring countries that are NATO members as a show of force but otherwise it will be a case of supplying money and weapons to Ukraine.

Classic war by proxy. If Ukraine ever became our enemy, its those weapons we would be facing.

So no involvement in terms of troops? Are Ukraine massive underdogs? So do they have a chance of winning this? 
 

Aren’t they trying to join NATO?

[Marc505]

8 minutes ago, Rudy said:

 

So no involvement in terms of troops? Are Ukraine massive underdogs? So do they have a chance of winning this? 
 

Aren’t they trying to join NATO?

No troops. Not least because it would probably kill off whatever popularity remains for Johnson (and Biden). That would put us directly in conflict with Russia and even though we already are in all but name, the prospect of escalation from the point where British/US soldiers are actually doing battle with Russias to what that could lead to are too extreme for anyone to comprehend on both sides.

I couldn't really say what the outcome would be in terms of Russia in Ukraine but there would be massive losses on both sides and it wouldn't be pretty. I think Russia is looking at some sort of "limited" war that takes a big chunk of Ukrainian territory and leaves the rest to be free, but in no doubts that its Russias bitch and a physical buffer between them and NATO.