It’s kicking off

Russian police arrest over 1000 protesters

Alexei Navalny, has been poisoned and arrested and still had this documentary released 

His wife has been arrested as well. 

Some serious minerals on this chap 

Edited February 27, 20224 yr by Rudy

On 14/02/2022 at 22:09, Underpants said:

I will buy a season ticket for Wigan if all this kicks off. Nothing to see here folks.

Will you need a membership number ?

1 hour ago, deane koontz said:

What happened in 2014 with the Russia/Ukraine malarkey. Was that a war/invasion too?

Only thing i can remember from that year is Isis and the hide and seek plane

The two nations have been at war since. Just a ceasefire agreement that kept things relatively quiet in the east of the country. 

Some very knowledgeable accounts made this morning.

Effectively these areas were annexed back then, and have been policed by separatists and Russian military since in a covert manner. They haven't been under direct Ukraine control ever since.

This latest move is clearly an overt mission to fully separate these areas.

That's essentially why there has been no formal attack from Ukrainian forces. They have their lines though, beyond which all hell will break loose.

 

31 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Will you need a membership number ?

He’ll definitely need a new crystal ball. Perhaps him, Mounts and Bolty can get a bulk deal.

5 hours ago, Rudy said:

Will the UK realistically do that? would they not see that as an act of aggression ?

Of course we can. We've seen a little bit of it today.

If the oligarch's wealth is frozen or seized by our, and other governments (wherever it's lodged) then those people no longer have access to it.

Putin may see it as an act of aggression, but what can he do? Certainly can't invade Europe and America.

Do that, and he becomes even more weakened and then faces the wrath internally from all sorts of other criminals. 

I've had a look at this article a couple of times, and may have put the link up before, but it is interesting (if long).

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/may/25/how-britain-let-russia-hide-its-dirty-money

Some of the younger posters and ones with short memories won't remember the start of all this: when post soviet society had much of its wealth snaffled by powerful individuals and criminals, and that wealth came to London and other cities as listed.

At the time it was in the news quite a bit about Russian money being stolen by their leaders and stashed elsewhere.

Rightly or wrongly, nations sought to benefit from some of this wealth arriving on their shores.

Seen a little bit of it today?

I refer the right honourable gentleman to Ian Hislop further up the thread.

Bozza has vested interests in Russian Money. Fact.

48 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Of course we can. We've seen a little bit of it today.

If the oligarch's wealth is frozen or seized by our, and other governments (wherever it's lodged) then those people no longer have access to it.

Putin may see it as an act of aggression, but what can he do? Certainly can't invade Europe and America.

Do that, and he becomes even more weakened and then faces the wrath internally from all sorts of other criminals. 

I've had a look at this article a couple of times, and may have put the link up before, but it is interesting (if long).

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/may/25/how-britain-let-russia-hide-its-dirty-money

Some of the younger posters and ones with short memories won't remember the start of all this: when post soviet society had much of its wealth snaffled by powerful individuals and criminals, and that wealth came to London and other cities as listed.

At the time it was in the news quite a bit about Russian money being stolen by their leaders and stashed elsewhere.

Rightly or wrongly, nations sought to benefit from some of this wealth arriving on their shores.

Putin ain’t daft. He knew the sanctions were coming he knew exactly what to expect he probably had a laugh at it. 
 

Probably shifted all their money at the same time as he shifted troops to the border. 

20 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Putin ain’t daft. He knew the sanctions were coming he knew exactly what to expect he probably had a laugh at it. 
 

Probably shifted all their money at the same time as he shifted troops to the border. 

Think our TMGJ has got his Boris Blinkers on again

He got bummed by a gorilla at Moscow Zoo - and he attempted to molest a meerkat. He is a big girl who has had plastic surgery, He does Judo solely to fondle other men. Come and get me you slag.

29 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Putin ain’t daft. He knew the sanctions were coming he knew exactly what to expect he probably had a laugh at it. 
 

Probably shifted all their money at the same time as he shifted troops to the border. 

The individual sanctions aren’t aimed at Putin. They are aimed at people of influence. Not all Russians are mad dictators. The hope is they will use that influence to bring about regime change.
We are just a small part of a growing global reaction to his madness.

 

7 hours ago, Marc505 said:

Doubt it now, they love a bit of Wembley do UEFA.

Play offs that day

4 minutes ago, Zico said:

Play offs that day

I had just read that before coming back on here and seeing your message! I wonder where will get it, maybe a place that has recently tried and missed out on a final like Istanbul or Dublin.

22 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

I had just read that before coming back on here and seeing your message! I wonder where will get it, maybe a place that has recently tried and missed out on a final like Istanbul or Dublin.

Could be Istanbul as they were meant to have it last year 

When Fiat 500 twitter meets geopolitical twitter.

 

Safe to say he will be looking for suitable accommodation in Siberia before long. Pretty extraordinary this.

9 hours ago, Rudy said:

Will you need a membership number ?

Fake news.

15 hours ago, Rudy said:

Putin ain’t daft. He knew the sanctions were coming he knew exactly what to expect he probably had a laugh at it. 
 

Probably shifted all their money at the same time as he shifted troops to the border. 

That was pointed out last night in the evening debate.

Got to act quickly or they have the opportunity to move assets.

Clearly not severe enough, and Cleverly was given an absolute thrashing by mp after mp over the relative weakness of the sanctions. None of them, irrespective of party said they'd gone far enough.

14 hours ago, gonzo said:

Think our TMGJ has got his Boris Blinkers on again

Think you've no idea of the full situation, you're lack of understanding is self evident and the only blinkers are worn by you.

You state supposition as fact, without proof. 

Whilst it is very probable that many mps have interests in Russian activities, including Boris, that of itself is not illegal. 

If they do have then root them out. All of them.

I suggest you may wish to read the numerous articles that are available on the subject. The guardian one I linked to is very good.

Since the days of Tony Blair, successive governments have to a degree courted Russian money. Sadiq Khan as mayor of London has also been a recipient of Russian funding. The money follows those in power, for obvious reasons- if we had a labour government, those same oligarchs would court their mps. It isn't a difficult concept.

Do you find me making accusations of bribery against any of them? No, because without actual proof it is supposition. 

You frequently accused me of bias (conservative), which is odd, as like most on here, you automatically vilify anyone from the government, and make disparaging comments about those from different backgrounds. A very uninformed parochial stance.

Personally, I like to read and research as much as possible and I'm happy to criticise and applaud irrespective of party.

Finally, bear in mind that if more severe sanctions come in, that energy price rises will be inevitable, and even more people here will have difficulties. You won't protest about such an event though would you?

 

 

I think in times like these we have to accept the price rises. We are nowhere near as reliant on Russian gas as Germany and other Eastern European countries thankfully.

IMO foreign money should not be allowed in our politics, regardless of party.

The sanctions imposed were pathetic, everyone knows that.  It is the fact that Russian money is sloshing around in the governing party's HQ that gives credence to concerns about the pitiful response.

I reckon the KGB has Boris by the balls.

Chaotic private life, there's no way they've not got any dirt on him.

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Think you've no idea of the full situation, you're lack of understanding is self evident and the only blinkers are worn by you.

You state supposition as fact, without proof. 

Whilst it is very probable that many mps have interests in Russian activities, including Boris, that of itself is not illegal. 

If they do have then root them out. All of them.

I suggest you may wish to read the numerous articles that are available on the subject. The guardian one I linked to is very good.

Since the days of Tony Blair, successive governments have to a degree courted Russian money. Sadiq Khan as mayor of London has also been a recipient of Russian funding. The money follows those in power, for obvious reasons- if we had a labour government, those same oligarchs would court their mps. It isn't a difficult concept.

Do you find me making accusations of bribery against any of them? No, because without actual proof it is supposition. 

You frequently accused me of bias (conservative), which is odd, as like most on here, you automatically vilify anyone from the government, and make disparaging comments about those from different backgrounds. A very uninformed parochial stance.

Personally, I like to read and research as much as possible and I'm happy to criticise and applaud irrespective of party.

Finally, bear in mind that if more severe sanctions come in, that energy price rises will be inevitable, and even more people here will have difficulties. You won't protest about such an event though would you?

 

 

Was only having a laugh mate, Jesus wept.

I couldn't honestly give a flying fuck.

Have a wank or summet, ya mad Boris lover.

 

Send him a voicenote Gonch.

Think he needs one. Come and relax to the dolcetones of a manc sounding scallywag in 60mph winds. 

It doesn’t mention Boris but it does explain Putin’s Autocratic Megalomania.

https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/what-putin-fears-most/

This may confuse some. 
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/ukraine-russia-crisis-donald-trump-praises-putins-aggression-as-wonderful-and-genius-12549418

7 hours ago, gonzo said:

Think he needs one. Come and relax to the dolcetones of a manc sounding scallywag in 60mph winds. 

It's "dulcet tones".