1 minute ago, Dimron said:

Nowt wrong with the US and Russia getting together as super-powers.

Zelensky is pissed off because he knows if he's not invited to the table he'll be on the menu.

Maybe Trump-Putin will do a deal, Ukraine will refuse and the eastern-state biased EU with its Estonian Foreign Secretary will back Ukraine... Trump will then be able to walk away and trade with Russia again leaving the EU to pick up the bills. The US will suspend its contributions to NATO as it doesn't want to contribute to paying for the supplies it has sold to NATO. The UK will be sucked into what will then become a Russia-EU war.

Best result in my view would be to establish a demilitarised zone in eastern Ukraine whilst overdue democratic elections are held in Ukraine (Putin will obviously attempt to rig these but its a start).

You talk utter rot at times.

Trump is enabling a dictator who invaded another country. Why is a "deal" already being blamed on the one who was invaded and why aren't they invited?

I do agree that the best result would be a demilitarised zone but fuck knows how that is achieved.

Long overdue elections are down to the country being invaded and at war, it's in their constitution FFS.

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

Twice in a few days someone has mentioned me in a discussion I wasn't involved in, then incorrectly assumed my position on something. You're obsessed mate.

Not sure why you've editted Gonzo's post to make him sound like a spaz though.

 

On 29/07/2025 at 15:51, Cheese said:

😂

But you were involved by posting a laughing emoji at my comment on Trump, you're the one obsessed with your comments about Trump

3 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said:

But you were involved by posting a laughing emoji at my comment on Trump, you're the one obsessed with your comments about Trump

Sorry I hurt your feelings 2 weeks ago. Why did you edit Gonzo's post?

13 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

You talk utter rot at times.

Trump is enabling a dictator who invaded another country. Why is a "deal" already being blamed on the one who was invaded and why aren't they invited?

I do agree that the best result would be a demilitarised zone but fuck knows how that is achieved.

Long overdue elections are down to the country being invaded and at war, it's in their constitution FFS.

Two super-powers with massive resources need to get talking one to one.

If pointing out the reality of a situation whether it is right or wrong is talking rot, so be it.

Should be interesting...

24 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Two super-powers with massive resources need to get talking one to one.

If pointing out the reality of a situation whether it is right or wrong is talking rot, so be it.

Should be interesting...

Is Russia still a "super-power" it has a GDP smaller than Italy. Although maybe the fact it has a load of nuclears and major resources, will always mean it's classed as one, irrespective of economy.

24 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Two super-powers with massive resources need to get talking one to one.

If pointing out the reality of a situation whether it is right or wrong is talking rot, so be it.

Should be interesting...

Russia isn't a superpower, it is on its knees economically. It has nukes but so does loads of others now.

The US is of course a superpower but is headed up by a bloke who wears his wife's makeup (nowt wrong with that if it floats your boat) and has no idea how to do diplomacy.

Russia is having to get slave labour imported from N Korea as well as using their utter crap ammunitions.

If we actually sanctioned Russia properly we could rid them of Putin and his regime from within and allow Ukraine peace.

2 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Is Russia still a "super-power" it has a GDP smaller than Italy. Although maybe the fact it has a load of nuclears and major resources, will always mean it's classed as one, irrespective of economy.

Fair point, but occupying 11% of the global land mass makes it pretty "super" in my view, only Canada with 6% comes anywhere near

2 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Russia isn't a superpower, it is on its knees economically. It has nukes but so does loads of others now.

The US is of course a superpower but is headed up by a bloke who wears his wife's makeup (nowt wrong with that if it floats your boat) and has no idea how to do diplomacy.

Russia is having to get slave labour imported from N Korea as well as using their utter crap ammunitions.

If we actually sanctioned Russia properly we could rid them of Putin and his regime from within and allow Ukraine peace.

If we got rid of Putin there would be a massive power vacuum... do we really want to see Russia fragment as we have seen in the Middle East?

3 minutes ago, Dimron said:

If we got rid of Putin there would be a massive power vacuum... do we really want to see Russia fragment as we have seen in the Middle East?

Notice you're not calling for "overdue democratic elections" in Russia?

44 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Sorry I hurt your feelings 2 weeks ago. Why did you edit Gonzo's post?

I didn't edit Gonzo's post, I quoted it in full

Trump said he’d end the war months ago.

He hasn’t.

I suspect this will end with Russia getting all the land they’ve invaded and trump claiming victory.

Not sure we’d see it the same way if Spain invaded Gibraltar and Trump just told us to accept it whilst declaring to the world that he deserves a Nobel peace prize.

Of course, he may tell Putin to withdraw, return the captured land and for both sides to stop the killing. If he does that and it happens, i’ll have his face tattooed onto mine.

Edited August 12, 20251 yr by Spider

15 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said:

I didn't edit Gonzo's post, I quoted it in full

Pretty sure Gonzo didn't say "If this happensic hairon each other's pub then it's a win and very well played by Trump tbf." 🤷‍♂️ Are you ok?

Edited August 12, 20251 yr by Cheese

22 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Notice you're not calling for "overdue democratic elections" in Russia?

I think they have them... pretty one sided though, involving intercepting Ryanair planes and nerve agents.

I'm not calling for anything, just speculating what the two gangsters come up with

2 minutes ago, Dimron said:

I think they have them... pretty one sided though, involving intercepting Ryanair planes and nerve agents.

I'm not calling for anything, just speculating what the two gangsters come up with

You've obviously gone down some deep internet rabbit holes if you think the Russian government is more democratic than Ukraine's. 🤦‍♂️

45 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Is Russia still a "super-power" it has a GDP smaller than Italy. Although maybe the fact it has a load of nuclears and major resources, will always mean it's classed as one, irrespective of economy.

This with big bells on.

BBC report today, with a couple of North Koreans who have escaped Russia.

Turns out Kim the kunt is sending over people to help Russian building programmes. 

The money Russia pays them is essentially peanuts, and it gets sent to North Korea, for the authorities there.

These guys had escaped after essentially being used as slaves, and were now in South Korea. They didn't show their faces for obvious reasons.

Whatever Trump manages to achieve, and it is highly unlikely that all land will be returned, then it has to have caveats that clearly say to Putin- kick off again and you get twatted.

40 minutes ago, Cheese said:

You've obviously gone down some deep internet rabbit holes if you think the Russian government is more democratic than Ukraine's. 🤦‍♂️

I don't do internet rabbit holes... I leave it to the likes of yourself and others.

If you care to read what I said you will note I never made such an observation.

You really need to be more factual rather than sling one line dispersions around

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

Two super-powers with massive resources need to get talking one to one.

If pointing out the reality of a situation whether it is right or wrong is talking rot, so be it.

Should be interesting...

Russia’s economy is the size of Spain’s

Edit. Sweep beat me to it. 
 

Truth is Russia is a basket case. But a basket case with nukes and a ruthless dictator in charge 

Edited August 12, 20251 yr by mickbrown

Last time they met, Trump shat himself when a Putin revealed what dirt they had on the gobshit. 
 

I imagine more of the same this time round 

Russia has never been a superpower

2 hours ago, Dimron said:

If we got rid of Putin there would be a massive power vacuum... do we really want to see Russia fragment as we have seen in the Middle East?

Russia is nothing like the middle east.

17 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Russia is nothing like the middle east.

It isn't, but there are a number of areas that would be happy to get away. 

Daft thing is, some of that desire will be as a result of the likes of Putin and his murderous regime.

Who knows, if he was fucked off, and they actually got a proper fella in charge, with peaceful intent and a desire to work for the benefit of his people, then maybe these places wouldn't want to break away. 

In answer to his question- well, yes why not have those regions going it alone?

It would seem a rational thing to want to do under the circumstances. 

If america had chosen to invade ukraine, I think it’s almost certain that the whole lot would be under American control by now.

Modern warfare means they are simply not close.

Russia have nukes though. And millions of conscripts they can throw at a frontline. That keeps them relevant.

Putin has Trump in his pocket. The only realistic outcome here is trump conceding the Donbass and eastern lands to Russia, on Zelensky’s behalf. Trump can control Zelensky but Putin has the Epstein files so trump is fucked.

Putin will win. Trump will say he’s the man of peace and his docile supporters will swallow like they do the other gallons of cum he shoots down their throats.

1 minute ago, Spider said:

If america had chosen to invade ukraine, I think it’s almost certain that the whole lot would be under American control by now.

Modern warfare means they are simply not close.

Russia have nukes though. And millions of conscripts they can throw at a frontline. That keeps them relevant.

Putin has Trump in his pocket. The only realistic outcome here is trump conceding the Donbass and eastern lands to Russia, on Zelensky’s behalf. Trump can control Zelensky but Putin has the Epstein files so trump is fucked.

Putin will win. Trump will say he’s the man of peace and his docile supporters will swallow like they do the other gallons of cum he shoots down their throats.

I used to think the same but I actually think Trump just would just love to be like Putin. He wants admiration over his people.

21 hours ago, Winchester White said:

I used to think the same but I actually think Trump just would just love to be like Putin. He wants admiration over his people.

Putin and Trump are fellow gangsters... Putin has been in position for 25 years (?) and seen lots of western leaders come and go

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

Putin and Trump are fellow gangsters... Putin has been in position for 25 years (?) and seen lots of western leaders come and go

Things are on a knife edge for Ukraine at the moment. I don't trust Putin or Trump tbh.

I know you don't think much of Zelensky but he could have hightailed it out of there at the start but he didn't. He's had numerous attempts to kill him and his family since, kudos for that.

I just hope Trump starts playing hardball with Putin now he has got NATO countries paying what they should.  This is probably the only issue I agree with the orange one about but he is absolutely right.