Zico Posted April 19 Posted April 19 9 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Ffs, did you expect an immediate, coordinated cessation? At least a truce was offered. Something Ukraine said they would mirror. Like it or not, something may be happening. That can't be bad, irrespective of who is brokering/forcing it. One day might just lead to another. We can all be sceptical, but we have to give it a chance. I got the impression it was just for Easter like frontline games of football on Christmas day in ww1 Quote
frank_spencer Posted April 19 Posted April 19 Seem to remember that for Orthodox Christians, like in Russia and Ukraine, Easter is a bigger deal than Christmas. Quote
bolton va va Posted April 19 Posted April 19 22 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Ffs, did you expect an immediate, coordinated cessation? At least a truce was offered. Something Ukraine said they would mirror. Like it or not, something may be happening. That can't be bad, irrespective of who is brokering/forcing it. One day might just lead to another. We can all be sceptical, but we have to give it a chance. It's very unlikely to be a genuine offer but more an attempt by Russia to convince Trump that they're trying for peace. There has been an offer on the table for a while for a 30 day truce that Ukraine agreed to but Russia will not comply with. If Trump falls for this new "offer ", he'll blame Ukraine & withdraw support for them which would be a big victory for Russia. Putin is playing games. Quote
Winchester White Posted April 19 Posted April 19 Putin isn't going to listen to the orange fucktard. He has him and his equally stupid representatives exactly where he wants them, repeating Kremlin disinformation. Russia may have lots of shit kit and cannon fodder (that has been found out in Ukraine) but the old arts of espionage, Kompromat, liquid affairs, etc is still very much in action all over the world. Quote
Winchester White Posted April 19 Posted April 19 https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1BaCK1gjgc/ Ben Wallace knows the score. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 20 Posted April 20 10 hours ago, Zico said: I got the impression it was just for Easter like frontline games of football on Christmas day in ww1 Indeed. Nevertheless, it has to start somewhere. Putin is a dangerous, evil fucker, but not stupid. He has to maintain the show of power internally, or he's toast. If the Americans are playing good cop/bad cop with their own public/diplomatic efforts, then it may provide Putin with an off-ramp where he saves face, and even appears victorious without actually being. If just a one day cessation is achieved, then another one can also be. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 20 Posted April 20 9 hours ago, Winchester White said: https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1BaCK1gjgc/ Ben Wallace knows the score. I have loads of time for him. I understand fully what he's saying. The overt stance of Trump and his henchmen is terrible. I do think something different is happening behinds the scenes though. I do reckon it could have been achieved without the disgraceful behaviour of the president towards Zelenskyy; nevertheless if something positive does arise, and peace is achieved, then great. Quote
Spider Posted April 20 Posted April 20 I’m honestly starting to think Donald Trump may not be the world peacemaker he told us he was. In fact, the more you look for his achievements, the more difficult it is to see if anything he says he’ll do actually happens. Still, George Clooney must be gurning with rage into his nespresso, which is really all that matters. Quote
gonzo Posted April 20 Posted April 20 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I have loads of time for him. I understand fully what he's saying. The overt stance of Trump and his henchmen is terrible. I do think something different is happening behinds the scenes though. I do reckon it could have been achieved without the disgraceful behaviour of the president towards Zelenskyy; nevertheless if something positive does arise, and peace is achieved, then great. Was my MP. Broke the mould for that shower of shite. Proper decent chap. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 20 Posted April 20 1 hour ago, gonzo said: Was my MP. Broke the mould for that shower of shite. Proper decent chap. One minister with knowledge and experience of the work in his role. Perhaps one type of role that does attract former military service personnel. Quote
Ani Posted April 24 Posted April 24 Genuine Question Is Zelensky being unrealistic by saying Crimea has to be given back as part of a deal as has been reported ? As much as I do not think Ukraine should be forced into a deal it does seem like that has no chance of ever happening. Quote
Bertie Posted April 24 Posted April 24 35 minutes ago, Ani said: Genuine Question Is Zelensky being unrealistic by saying Crimea has to be given back as part of a deal as has been reported ? As much as I do not think Ukraine should be forced into a deal it does seem like that has no chance of ever happening. Sadly I think he is (and should). Going to have to give something to achieve peace. Unpalatable to most but a necessary evil me thinks to stop the bloodshed. Question is whether Crimea alone is enough. Doesn’t look like it given yesterdays leaks that Moscow wants to keep everything they now have, given the unwavering support they now have from the US. All depends I think if Europe will support Ukraine solo when/if the US walks away. Quote
Zico Posted April 24 Posted April 24 1 minute ago, Bertie said: Sadly I think he is (and should). Going to have to give something to achieve peace. Unpalatable to most but a necessary evil me thinks to stop the bloodshed. Question is whether Crimea alone is enough. Doesn’t look like it given yesterdays leaks that Moscow wants to keep everything they now have, given the unwavering support they now have from the US. All depends I think if Europe will support Ukraine solo when/if the US walks away. 42 minutes ago, Ani said: Genuine Question Is Zelensky being unrealistic by saying Crimea has to be given back as part of a deal as has been reported ? As much as I do not think Ukraine should be forced into a deal it does seem like that has no chance of ever happening. think it's going to take more than that it will probably have to involve something that was taken this time round Quote
Not in Crawley Posted April 24 Posted April 24 On 19/04/2025 at 21:32, frank_spencer said: Seem to remember that for Orthodox Christians, like in Russia and Ukraine, Easter is a bigger deal than Christmas. Easter is a bigger deal for all practising Christians. Quote
gonzo Posted April 24 Posted April 24 4 hours ago, Not in Crawley said: Easter is a bigger deal for all practising Christians. Why isn't Easter on the same date every year? Quote
frank_spencer Posted April 24 Posted April 24 Just now, gonzo said: Why isn't Easter on the same date every year? Linked to the lunar calendar rather than the Gregorian calendar. Quote
Not in Crawley Posted April 24 Posted April 24 (edited) 37 minutes ago, frank_spencer said: Linked to the lunar calendar rather than the Gregorian calendar. Kind of, its all odd. It would be bloody hard to set Easter on a particular date, even though it probably could be done but because the celebration of Easter involves special services over the period of a week, a period of contemplation and prayer for 40 days preceeding and a period of carnival prior to that: Palm Sunday, celebrating the arrival of Jesus in Jerusalem, Maundy Thursday when the Last Supper and capture of Jesus are commemorated; Good Friday for the crucifixion and Easter Sunday when the Resurrection is celebrated. If Easter was to be put on a certain date, then not only would Easter Day cease to fall on Sunday but so would Palm Sunday, Good Friday and so on. Lent would also have to be rearranged, Shrove Tuesday and Ash Wednesday would cease to exist. The Mardi Gras/eating all the nice goody stuff which traditionally preceed Lent would become meaningless. Basically a big fucking ballache all round. Edited April 24 by Not in Crawley Quote
MalcolmW Posted April 25 Posted April 25 On 18/02/2025 at 20:41, MalcolmW said: Crimea has passed back and forth between Russia and Ukraine many times. It was part of Russia in Stalin's time, and he drove the Tatars out. When Khrushchev took over after Stalin's death he transferred Crimea to Ukraine in an attempt to encourage them to return (but they did not anyway). Putin repossessed Crimea in 2014 and there was a lot of hand-wringing from the West, but nothing more. Putin invaded further in 2022 as detailed above and Zelensky did not fall and has survived. He wants the full border restored including Crimea. Trump (or a competent spokesperson) should privately say to Putin that the options are : 1. keep Crimea and give up all other land taken, 2, allow the UN to organise voting in each Oblast, etc. with the results binding. (TGhis may well have the same result as option 1 anyway), or 3. remain a pariah state for the rest of your time. 10 weeks on. Quote
kent_white Posted April 25 Posted April 25 Putin won't concede anything. Trump will spit his dummy and blame it on Zelensky and Europe. If only we'd play ball and completely surrender to the aggressor then none of this would be happening. And it wouldn't have happened if he'd been in charge either! Quote
Spider Posted April 25 Posted April 25 Trump is a coward He will use the might of America to allow Russia its prize. And Putin will stop there. It’s not in his nature to fervently expand Russian influence around its former soviet nations. Quote
Zico Posted April 28 Posted April 28 Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday announced a three-day ceasefire in Ukraine from May 8 to 10 as Russia celebrates the end of World War II Quote
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