the last shooting / things that go on in America thread has definitely dissappeared

anyway

not the "happy ending" you would have expected

https://twitter.com/i/events/1371972779893944327

Suspect arrested after eight people, including six Asian women, were killed at Atlanta-area spas

Eight people, including six Asian women, were killed in shootings at three different businesses in Atlanta and Acworth, Georgia, on Tuesday, according to local police. A male suspect was arrested and charged with several counts of murder on Wednesday, police said. At a press conference in Atlanta on Wednesday, authorities identified the four victims killed in Cherokee County.

 

4 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Common sense? That is the one thing you think you have yet lack in spades.

Read the rest of my post or even the sentence you highlighted and you might get a clue as to my thoughts.

You can't speed up killing folk by the Government. If the US can't do it with their so called justice system why you think we can is beyond me.

And before anyone says it, it has been proven NOT to be a deterrent.

Thanks for proving my point 

11 minutes ago, royal white said:

They usually get jail. 

Upon conviction of course.

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

A counter-argument would therefore be that if the risk of the death penalty isn't a deterrent, then neither would a custodial sentence be.

Therefore the death penalty would be the most effective way of preventing re-offending.

I kind of get your point but the difference is if you make a mistake one can be rectified and the other cannot.

Farage says it's because he doesn't trust our judiciary despite it being light years better than the US but let's be honest it doesn't work in a western democracy.

Edited November 7, 20241 yr by Winchester White
Doesn't not does

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

Thanks for proving my point 

You haven't made one?

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

A counter-argument would therefore be that if the risk of the death penalty isn't a deterrent, then neither would a custodial sentence be.

Therefore the death penalty would be the most effective way of preventing re-offending.

Except you inevitably end up killing innocent people now and then. Might only be a tiny fraction, which is all well and good until it's you or your kid strapped to a chair.

Edited November 7, 20241 yr by Cheese

2 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

You haven't made one?

And again. You’re giving NIC a run for his money here. Some accolade 

6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

A counter-argument would therefore be that if the risk of the death penalty isn't a deterrent, then neither would a custodial sentence be.

Therefore the death penalty would be the most effective way of preventing re-offending.

The crimes that death penalty folk commit would see them never leave prison if they got a custodial sentence instead

So I don't think you need to worry about reoffending 

1 minute ago, royal white said:

And again. You’re giving NIC a run for his money here. Some accolade 

OK. I dont understand what you are on about to be honest. I am not looking for an argument, although I gave you a cheeky dig about common sense but I figured you could take a bit, no?

I assume trump will pardon himself of all his crimes?

His son looks like the coke addict in Die Hard

 

18 minutes ago, Spider said:

I assume trump will pardon himself of all his crimes?

His son looks like the coke addict in Die Hard

 

I thought that was Roy Greaves  

44 minutes ago, Casino said:

What are rapists gonna get?

(another) 4 years ?

58 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Err... Yes, in many ways. Which parts do you agree or disagree with?

Just had a scan through ... seems it has nothing to do with Trump and was used by the Democrats to push votes away for him.

Trump wrote, "I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they're saying and some of the things they're saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. 

The usuals getting their knickers in a twist about policies that will probably never materialise 

I agree with some of it though 

Project 2025's agenda not only recommends finishing the wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, but urges the next administration to "take a creative and aggressive approach" to responding to drug cartels at the border. This approach includes using active-duty military personnel and the National Guard to help with arrest operations along the southern border.

In a section titled "The Family Agenda," the proposal recommends the Health and Human Services chief "proudly state that men and women are biological realities," and that "married men and women are the ideal, natural family structure because all children have a right to be raised by the men and women who conceived them."

Probably others but it's 900 pages long and I've not gone through it all. I take it you've read it?

 

 

7 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Just had a scan through ... seems it has nothing to do with Trump and was used by the Democrats to push votes away for him.

Trump wrote, "I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they're saying and some of the things they're saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. 

The usuals getting their knickers in a twist about policies that will probably never materialise 

I agree with some of it though 

Project 2025's agenda not only recommends finishing the wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, but urges the next administration to "take a creative and aggressive approach" to responding to drug cartels at the border. This approach includes using active-duty military personnel and the National Guard to help with arrest operations along the southern border.

In a section titled "The Family Agenda," the proposal recommends the Health and Human Services chief "proudly state that men and women are biological realities," and that "married men and women are the ideal, natural family structure because all children have a right to be raised by the men and women who conceived them."

Probably others but it's 900 pages long and I've not gone through it all. I take it you've read it?

 

 

I never said it was anything to do with Trump, I just asked you a question?

16 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Just had a scan through ... seems it has nothing to do with Trump and was used by the Democrats to push votes away for him.

Trump wrote, "I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they're saying and some of the things they're saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. 

The usuals getting their knickers in a twist about policies that will probably never materialise 

I agree with some of it though 

Project 2025's agenda not only recommends finishing the wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, but urges the next administration to "take a creative and aggressive approach" to responding to drug cartels at the border. This approach includes using active-duty military personnel and the National Guard to help with arrest operations along the southern border.

In a section titled "The Family Agenda," the proposal recommends the Health and Human Services chief "proudly state that men and women are biological realities," and that "married men and women are the ideal, natural family structure because all children have a right to be raised by the men and women who conceived them."

Probably others but it's 900 pages long and I've not gone through it all. I take it you've read it?

 

 

Large parts of it were written by staffers of his and people involved in his last administration. 

And some of it is absolutely bonkers. Even for Trump. 

9 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

I never said it was anything to do with Trump, I just asked you a question?

Ok

One for @Spider 😊

 

 

America got Trump who likes to grab them by the pussy.

Britain got Starmer who is a pussy.

We're fucked.

3 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

Does it? 

Which elements of the climate denial rollbacks & Christian fundamentalism do you agree with most mate? 

12 minutes ago, PatrickBateman said:

America got Trump who likes to grab them by the pussy.

Britain got Starmer who is a pussy.

We're fucked.

❤️

14 minutes ago, PatrickBateman said:

America got Trump who likes to grab them by the pussy.

Britain got Starmer who is a pussy.

We're fucked.

In what way is Starmer a pussy? He's wallpaper. A sensible intelligent person just getting on with the job. As it should be.

1 hour ago, wanderer1984 said:

One for @Spider 😊

 

 

Hamas have been calling for an end for months. Just not willing to meet their extremist demands with their extremist neighbours. Nothing has happened yet. Always two ways of looking at these things.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinians-dismayed-by-trumps-win-their-leaders-urge-peace-2024-11-06/
 

13 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Which elements of the climate denial rollbacks & Christian fundamentalism do you agree with most mate? 

Not got that far yet mate. 

14 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Hamas have been calling for an end for months. Just not willing to meet their extremist demands with their extremist neighbours. Nothing has happened yet. Always two ways of looking at these things.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinians-dismayed-by-trumps-win-their-leaders-urge-peace-2024-11-06/
 

Hamas leaders want peace but corner shop Khan doesn't seem so keen.

"We, as Arabs and Palestinians, will not be naive enough. We have to deal with him as an enemy. We have to determine who is the enemy. They are enemies," said Khaled Dasouso, owner of a grocery in Khan Younis.

2 hours ago, royal white said:

Thanks for proving my point 

 

2 hours ago, royal white said:

And again. You’re giving NIC a run for his money here. Some accolade 

These mid debate deflection posts are hilarious 

Like a kid who doesn’t know how to do it so they disrupt everyone else. 

2 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Hamas leaders want peace but corner shop Khan doesn't seem so keen.

"We, as Arabs and Palestinians, will not be naive enough. We have to deal with him as an enemy. We have to determine who is the enemy. They are enemies," said Khaled Dasouso, owner of a grocery in Khan Younis.

😂 that got me too mate.

 Just to clarify, you’re not really trying to argue that the Islamic terrorists of the world are pleased that Trump will help their cause?

Be one for the books if you are