royal white Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 3 minutes ago, Cheese said: Yep. "BUILD THE WALL!" "STOP THE BOATS!" 3-word slogans designed to appeal to millions of thicko's. Yip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted January 19 Site Supporter Share Posted January 19 6 minutes ago, royal white said: Yip Hit a nerve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, wanderer1984 said: So what about voters that backed Biden and are now turning to Trump because the lack of continued work on the border. It'll make a huge difference in the swing of votes, especially with the black folk. They'll be swallowing his words too? I think you're conflating 'things which swing votes' with 'things that work'. Jay Jay very astutely called this the USA's Rwanda policy a few posts back. Presumably he meant that it's designed to win votes - not designed to achieve the outcome desired. Or has little chance of achieving the outcome desired. Jay Jay - sorry if I'm putting words in your mouth there but that's what I interpreted it as. Anyway - as you say, we will just have to see. Personally I think it's a batshit plan, and it's unlikely to ever get built and you clearly think it is going to get built and it is going to work. One of us is going to look stupid at any rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 11 minutes ago, Cheese said: Hit a nerve? E- Shittest three word slogan yet. Must try harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer1984 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 minute ago, kent_white said: I think you're conflating 'things which swing votes' with 'things that work'. Jay Jay very astutely called this the USA's Rwanda policy a few posts back. Presumably he meant that it's designed to win votes - not designed to achieve the outcome desired. Or has little chance of achieving the outcome desired. Jay Jay - sorry if I'm putting words in your mouth there but that's what I interpreted it as. Anyway - as you say, we will just have to see. Personally I think it's a batshit plan, and it's unlikely to ever get built and you clearly think it is going to get built and it is going to work. One of us is going to look stupid at any rate. Doesn't bother me being wrong. Just don't get how you don't think a 30ft wall across a border isn't a deterrent. If it were to be completed, sure illegals will find another way in. But it won't be as easy and the US authorities will then try to shut down those other entry points once established. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer1984 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 12 minutes ago, kent_white said: think you're conflating 'things which swing votes' with 'things that work'. You don't know it wouldn't work though. Of course it may swing a vote. Problem is for Biden ... this particular issue isn't swinging in his favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 8 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said: You don't know it wouldn't work though. Of course it may swing a vote. Problem is for Biden ... this particular issue isn't swinging in his favour. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. You're right, I don't KNOW it won't work, it's an educated guess. And I agree it's a problem for Biden. This is what Trump is good at though. Promising the world, failing to deliver, blaming everybody else. There's some more three word slogans! 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 14 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said: Doesn't bother me being wrong. Just don't get how you don't think a 30ft wall across a border isn't a deterrent. If it were to be completed, sure illegals will find another way in. But it won't be as easy and the US authorities will then try to shut down those other entry points once established. It sounds like you're contradicting yourself in the same sentence here. If people will find another way in - then it hasn't worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 12 minutes ago, kent_white said: I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. You're right, I don't KNOW it won't work, it's an educated guess. And I agree it's a problem for Biden. This is what Trump is good at though. Promising the world, failing to deliver, blaming everybody else. There's some more three word slogans! 🤣 Trump couldn't even get the money for it from his own party when the had both houses, end up pinching money that was supposed to go to new military homes which are so run down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer1984 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 35 minutes ago, kent_white said: It sounds like you're contradicting yourself in the same sentence here. If people will find another way in - then it hasn't worked. Not at all. Assuming it will be a lot harder to gain entry with wall. US authorities can then concentrate on other ways that are being used instead of walking straight through... like they do now Peter Santenello has some interesting videos on the situation (youtube) as well as great insights to what it's like living in certain areas around the US and other cities around the word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Maybe they should process them quicker or put them on barges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted January 20 Author Moderators Share Posted January 20 12 hours ago, wanderer1984 said: Biden stopped the funding didn't he? Thought DT said Mexico would pay for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted January 20 Members Share Posted January 20 On 20/01/2024 at 03:23, DirtySanchez said: He also takes a shit on a gold toilet Do you think he's a man of the people? Do you think Biden is? You ought to read up on his wealth matey. They are all fucking hypocrites on that side - one of the biggest being that cunt Pelosi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Is it too much to wish that both the owd buggers succumb to old Father Time before the election? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted January 21 Site Supporter Share Posted January 21 Very good is this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 6 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Very good is this: So articulately put and presented. Can you believe we're even having this conversation? How the hell have we ended up here. The worrying thing is - I think there are many people that would accept DT as president for life if it was suggested. We're on a really rocky road here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 21 Site Supporter Share Posted January 21 6 minutes ago, kent_white said: So articulately put and presented. Can you believe we're even having this conversation? How the hell have we ended up here. The worrying thing is - I think there are many people that would accept DT as president for life if it was suggested. We're on a really rocky road here. I shouldn't worry- he's 78 iirc, so chances are he wouldn't be in the job for too long anyway! Having watched that clip; it's the first I've heard of Trump's lot actually wanting to remove those democratic institutions. Clearly they're not happy about how some of them perform, and there is debate to be had over whether people of the law should be elected for example, but is that the same as wanting them to be scrapped? Can't say the nitty gritty of American society etc is really my thing, but is it really as bad as that? Stuff there about climate change, ignorance and slow movement, but that is an issue all over the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted January 21 Site Supporter Share Posted January 21 40 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I shouldn't worry- he's 78 iirc, so chances are he wouldn't be in the job for too long anyway! Having watched that clip; it's the first I've heard of Trump's lot actually wanting to remove those democratic institutions. Clearly they're not happy about how some of them perform, and there is debate to be had over whether people of the law should be elected for example, but is that the same as wanting them to be scrapped? Can't say the nitty gritty of American society etc is really my thing, but is it really as bad as that? Stuff there about climate change, ignorance and slow movement, but that is an issue all over the world. Then you have not been paying attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted January 21 Site Supporter Share Posted January 21 (edited) Trump is a coward hiding behind his wall and his inward looking approach. Putin will be rubbing his hands together waiting for him to win (which seems likely), at which point the Ukranians may as well just throw the white flag up. I’m just glad we have a thousand miles between us and the nearest Russian border. Certainly wouldn’t fancy the chances of the Baltic nations in a few years time. But, you know, the swamp. Edited January 21 by Spider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted January 21 Members Share Posted January 21 The main task the Democrats should be focusing on now is convincing Biden to withdraw Or failing that, engineering a way to keep him off the ballot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer1984 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted January 21 Members Share Posted January 21 Qasem Soleimani would probably disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 17 hours ago, mickbrown said: Is it too much to wish that both the owd buggers succumb to old Father Time before the election? Even if it happened they’d vote in another pensioner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted January 21 Site Supporter Share Posted January 21 30 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said: Deary me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted January 21 Site Supporter Share Posted January 21 26 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: Qasem Soleimani would probably disagree Beat me to it. Its a myth that Trump was a man of peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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