wanderer1984 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Yes I have seen the posts by W1984. It’s a bizarre view of the world. Mind you he also told us that he would vote for Farage as well 🤓 What's my view of the world? Spider seems to think everything will be OK once Trump is reallocated. He's wrong on most things so we'll see. Edited January 22 by wanderer1984 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted January 22 Site Supporter Share Posted January 22 8 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said: What's my view of the world? Spider seems to think everything will be OK once Trump is reallocated. He's wrong on most things so we'll see. I’m simply trusting your opinion on the matter. You seem to be very certain of Trump’s ability to bring peace to the world. Its what we all need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Farrelli said: And you think Putin will stop at Ukraine ? I don't know and neither do you, I'd guess that he'll stop once he hits "NATO territory" though, but that's all it is, just a guess. I'm not sure we can keep supporting somebody else's war indefinitely though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, Sweep said: I don't know and neither do you, I'd guess that he'll stop once he hits "NATO territory" though, but that's all it is, just a guess. I'm not sure we can keep supporting somebody else's war indefinitely though I do know it’s right that we stop him now and not when he is in Poland and Estonia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, Farrelli said: I do know it’s right that we stop him now and not when he is in Poland and Estonia. They're both in NATO, and as I've said I don't think he'd dare to try that, but who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted January 22 Site Supporter Share Posted January 22 Just now, Sweep said: They're both in NATO, and as I've said I don't think he'd dare to try that, but who knows. But the world should just let him do what he wants, and take the chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 8 minutes ago, Cheese said: But the world should just let him do what he wants, and take the chance? Well no but you cant criticise folk for wondering if all that funding could be better spent on ourselves. Its only a matter of time untill the sympathy runs out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Is Trump going to play the role of Neville Chamberlain? You can invade Ukraine just don't go to Poland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 24 minutes ago, Sweep said: They're both in NATO, and as I've said I don't think he'd dare to try that, but who knows. “You don’t think” isn’t any security Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 16 minutes ago, Cheese said: But the world should just let him do what he wants, and take the chance? If he touches NATO territory, then he knows the consequences. We weren't bothered when he annexed the Crimea? - if we wanted to make some sort of stand, surely we should have done it then shouldn't we? 7 minutes ago, gonzo said: Well no but you cant criticise folk for wondering if all that funding could be better spent on ourselves. Its only a matter of time untill the sympathy runs out. At some point, I think that you're right, and the wider public will start to question the funding. I don't know the total numbers, but aren't we tipping in far more than anybody else (apart from the US), I'm not sure we should be doing that, unless we're being guaranteed the rebuild contracts, should this war ever actually be resolved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 14 minutes ago, gonzo said: Well no but you cant criticise folk for wondering if all that funding could be better spent on ourselves. Its only a matter of time untill the sympathy runs out. That is where we are unfortunately. Putin is waiting for western allies to waiver so we absolutely shouldn’t IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtySanchez Posted January 22 Members Share Posted January 22 15 minutes ago, Sweep said: If he touches NATO territory, then he knows the consequences. We weren't bothered when he annexed the Crimea? - if we wanted to make some sort of stand, surely we should have done it then shouldn't we? At some point, I think that you're right, and the wider public will start to question the funding. I don't know the total numbers, but aren't we tipping in far more than anybody else (apart from the US), I'm not sure we should be doing that, unless we're being guaranteed the rebuild contracts, should this war ever actually be resolved Depends on how you want to measure it If you're talking actual amounts then yes we're second If you're talking %of GDP we are way down the list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 And also remember we said we would help protect Ukraine if they gave up there Nuclear weapons, I know the word of the UK is not worth much now but I would hope for us to keep our word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 22 Site Supporter Share Posted January 22 (edited) https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_67655.htm If any one can get to the end without nodding off, plenty of technical data here. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/nato-spending-by-country 2021 figures by GDP. https://www.statista.com/chart/14636/defense-expenditures-of-nato-countries/ More recent figures. Edited January 22 by Tonge moor green jacket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 22 Site Supporter Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said: And also remember we said we would help protect Ukraine if they gave up there Nuclear weapons, I know the word of the UK is not worth much now but I would hope for us to keep our word Seeing as both major parties have committed to doing so, then you would imagine that will remain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted January 22 Site Supporter Share Posted January 22 Given that the US has spend about 3% of its military budget giving Ukraine old kit that would be rusting in some desert otherwise, I think it would be foolish to stop sending Ukraine stuff. We have sent a decent amount but IMO all Nato countries should be doing more, especially the likes of France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted January 22 Site Supporter Share Posted January 22 5 hours ago, Sweep said: 😁 I read the other day that we're already about £10B in with support to Ukraine, and I think the US are up at about £40B - I presume that those in power thought that Russia would have run out of money/men/weapons by now. It could drag on for many, many more years, how much money will it cost us in the long run? - If, as Trump says, he'll pull the funding, will the UK/EU have to make up any shortfall? A quick question: Whilst we’re giving away tens of billion pounds in arming another country, are we still building up the national debt? Or written another way, is this use by Ukraine of our armaments affecting their debt or ours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 36 minutes ago, MickyD said: A quick question: Whilst we’re giving away tens of billion pounds in arming another country, are we still building up the national debt? Or written another way, is this use by Ukraine of our armaments affecting their debt or ours? I don't know for definite, but I'd be surprised if it's reducing....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 59 minutes ago, MickyD said: A quick question: Whilst we’re giving away tens of billion pounds in arming another country, are we still building up the national debt? Or written another way, is this use by Ukraine of our armaments affecting their debt or ours? It's a hell of a lot cheaper than fighting Russia directly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Indeed. We can’t afford not to support Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted January 22 Site Supporter Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, MickyD said: A quick question: Whilst we’re giving away tens of billion pounds in arming another country, are we still building up the national debt? Or written another way, is this use by Ukraine of our armaments affecting their debt or ours? It isn't enough IMO. Then again I don't think paying £34bn to an ex jockey for a shit Covid system is either. Or hundreds of millions to several shite PPE companies that popped up overnight in a pandemic. Of the things to spend money on, this is actually value for money for a fucking change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted January 22 Site Supporter Share Posted January 22 Oh and as for Trump... https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/01/22/7438332/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted January 22 Site Supporter Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Oh and as for Trump... https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/01/22/7438332/ Yeah, but he said he could stop the war within 24 hours, so it must be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted January 22 Site Supporter Share Posted January 22 2 hours ago, MickyD said: A quick question: Whilst we’re giving away tens of billion pounds in arming another country, are we still building up the national debt? Or written another way, is this use by Ukraine of our armaments affecting their debt or ours? There’s a lot of money to be made rebuilding cities that have been levelled And the allies would be front of the queue for the contracts. Unless Trump tells his old mucker Vlad to keep as much Ukraine as he wants…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 22 Site Supporter Share Posted January 22 18 minutes ago, Spider said: There’s a lot of money to be made rebuilding cities that have been levelled And the allies would be front of the queue for the contracts. Unless Trump tells his old mucker Vlad to keep as much Ukraine as he wants…. We've already got defence companies assisting with production in Ukraine directly. As for the debt, I dare so both Ukraine and its donors will be increasing their levels, but there isn't an alternative. As one expert put it, the west is now fighting a proxy war in the country, so we owe them as much support as possible. It's also a fact that Russia isn't doing particular well financially out of it neither. They're also getting huge shipments of arms from Nortg Korea etc, and that will need balancing at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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