Is it kicking off big time or is this just everyday stuff they deal with or a bit of both?

 

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

But the images used for A, B and C are all the exact same photo....? Somebody has literally had to make something up to prove their point.

Wow, look at all those. Must be a couple of hundred at least. 

22 minutes ago, royal white said:

Wow, look at all those. Must be a couple of hundred at least. 

Which is infinitely more than globaldiver was implying with his daft graphic. I'm sure there are photos showing larger marches if you're that bothered.

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Just now, Cheese said:

Which is infinitely more than wander1984 was implying with his daft graphic. I'm sure there are photos showing larger marches if you're that bothered.

Not really. Unless the photos you’ve posted are on the bridge. (They’re not) 

20 minutes ago, royal white said:

Not really. Unless the photos you’ve posted are on the bridge. (They’re not) 

You weren't so fussy about the accuracy of the photos in globaldiver's post? How odd.

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Just now, Cheese said:

You weren't so fussy about the accuracy of the photos in wander1984's post? How odd.

I Didn’t need to be, you posted pictures to prove his point 🤷🏻‍♂️

Whats the reason a few only turn out for these other wars? Any ideas? 

It was a post from @globaldiver

For what it's worth, I think the main point being made still stands 

9 minutes ago, royal white said:

I Didn’t need to be, you posted pictures to prove his point 🤷🏻‍♂️

Whats the reason a few only turn out for these other wars? Any ideas? 

No idea. Could be lack of media coverage? Could be that Israel are Western allies? Could be a massive anti-Semitic conspiracy?

1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It was a post from @globaldiver

For what it's worth, I think the main point being made still stands 

So it was. My mistake.

15 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Which is infinitely more than wander1984 was implying with his daft graphic. I'm sure there are photos showing larger marches if you're that bothered.

It wasn't my graphic

My point still stands. Sure they'll have been a few demonstrations here in the UK. Nothing on the scale of what we've seen recently.

Agree?

5 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

It wasn't my graphic

My point still stands. Sure they'll have been a few demonstrations here in the UK. Nothing on the scale of what we've seen recently.

Agree?

Apologies for the mistake.

Obviously I agree, the pro-Palestine march was a lot bigger than previous marches. I was just pointing out that there were demonstrations/marches against the other events in globaldiver's graphic, so it is inaccurate.

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For what it's worth, the primary target of those marches was the British government and, more broadly, the West, as opposed to the actual perpetrators of the violence

A subtle but important distinction

2 hours ago, globaldiver said:

How anyone can define this conflict by Hamas alone is beyond me. But people keep doing it. I guess there is a comfort in 'good vs bad' 'peaceful country vs terrorists'. If only the world were that simple. 

If Hamas hadn't launched a mass terrorist attack, the war we have now wouldn't have started.

9 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

If Hamas hadn't launched a mass terrorist attack whilst there was a ceasefire, the war we have now wouldn't have started.

 

2 hours ago, bolty58 said:

 We could bat this back and forth over the net for days. I will let you have the last word as inflated blood pressure at your size is unwise.

Racism is as serious an issue as people want it to be. Those who throw the 'racist' jibe around like confetti are most often the ones with a guilt complex in my experience. Probably have skeletons in the cupboard which give them cold sweats thinking back so over compensate by trying to level the accusation at every other fucker.

I am 99% sure that they know fuck all about how the Zulu (not the lovely lad off here) seek to exterminate every other tribe or little about some Sunni and Shite (intentional) zealots who would like to obliterate the other sect.

Tribalism. It is in all of us but few want to acknowledge this basic human trait. Only the younger end can look at the sea of undesirables marching in UK city streets and not think "What the fuck were we thinking letting this lot or their antecedents arrive in such numbers?"

An unpopular statement but Enoch Powell was right. The streets have already run red with blood (London Bridge, Lee Rigby, 7/7 - too long a list to type them all out). I think most of us know deep down that we have very likely only seen the tip of the iceberg so far.

The most damning indictment of the failed 'multiculturalism' experiment there can possibly be. Tony Blair should immediately be exiled to Gaza City for a start. Angela Merkel should go with him.

Ahh bless, I politely accepted your apology and you reply with a mega long response. I said throwing racism round as a lazy allegation is wrong ( we do agree) and it is wrong as actual racism is evil (I assume we agree on this ?) 

I also agree that failure to control immigration is a major fuck up and as a result the party of law and order should be held accountable for it. 

I still do not know the difference between a humanitarian pause and a cease fire. They both stop innocent people getting killed do nt they ? 

Hamas have said they won't stop and does anyone seriously think Israel will whilst people are being held hostage ? 
 

The current phase was started by Hamas so surely the start of de escalation is the return of hostages ? 

3 minutes ago, Ani said:

Ahh bless, I politely accepted your apology and you reply with a mega long response. I said throwing racism round as a lazy allegation is wrong ( we do agree) and it is wrong as actual racism is evil (I assume we agree on this ?) 

I also agree that failure to control immigration is a major fuck up and as a result the party of law and order should be held accountable for it. 

Dunno - Bolty's post sounds like one of those scrawled notes you find in a serial killers house with pictures tied together with bits of red string 😁

11 minutes ago, globaldiver said:

 

Oh was there a ceasefire? Israel must have missed that memo as it continued evicting innocent people from their land and bulldozing their homes. 

Easy mistake to make though 👍

25 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

How anyone can define this conflict by Hamas alone is beyond me. But people keep doing it. I guess there is a comfort in 'good vs bad' 'peaceful country vs terrorists'. If only the world were that simple. 

Doesn't stop thousands taking to streets defending hamas though does it.

Including hordes of left wing bandwagon jumpers who fail to realise they are standing with a right wing terrorist organisation indoctrinated by a faith laced with racist and extremist ideologies.

Some mixed up fuckers all over this.

 

5 minutes ago, Ani said:

I still do not know the difference between a humanitarian pause and a cease fire. They both stop innocent people getting killed do nt they ? 

Hamas have said they won't stop and does anyone seriously think Israel will whilst people are being held hostage ? 
 

The current phase was started by Hamas so surely the start of de escalation is the return of hostages ? 

https://globalaffairs.org/bluemarble/what-humanitarian-pause-and-how-it-different-cease-fire

27 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

If Hamas hadn't launched a mass terrorist attack, the war we have now wouldn't have started.

Not sure if posted before, but this site shows the scale of the first events. On the first page hit "next" and you can zoom into each area.

Mapping the Massacres (oct7map.com)

13 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Doesn't stop thousands taking to streets defending hamas though does it.

Including hordes of left wing bandwagon jumpers who fail to realise they are standing with a right wing terrorist organisation indoctrinated by a faith laced with racist and extremist ideologies.

Some mixed up fuckers all over this.

And there we go again. Criticising Israel means your a terrorist sympathiser. Christ. 

I've said previously on this thread that the far left can be ignorant. But assuming that everyone with a Palestinian flag is defending Hamas is nonsense and shows no understand of the conflict. 

Hamas' dictatorship is deeply unpopular in Gaza, they were polling at around 27% and that's even with their own corrupted polls.

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6 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

https://globalaffairs.org/bluemarble/what-humanitarian-pause-and-how-it-different-cease-fire

Ok so one is bigger and longer ? So would nt a humanitarian pause be a good start ? 
Everytime there is a conflict a ceasefire gets called eventually and pretty often it lasts until one side breaks it so little steps 

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

And there we go again. Criticising Israel means your a terrorist sympathiser. Christ. 

I've said previously on this thread that the far left can be ignorant. But assuming that everyone with a Palestinian flag is defending Hamas is nonsense and shows no understand of the conflict. 

Hamas' dictatorship is deeply unpopular in Gaza, they were polling at around 27% and that's even with their own corrupted polls.

Tbf LW there are plenty of images within the marches of overtly anti Israel material too.

I agree the vast majority of people really want an end to so much killing but Hamas are (or were) still firing missiles with the intent of killing too.