Meanwhile in Israel

[BobyBrno]

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

Maybe just a gummy nibble at your age.

Ah the age thing again. You have issues with age. Want to tell us why?

[Not in Crawley]

Just now, BobyBrno said:

Ah the age thing again. You have issues with age. Want to tell us why?

I have a thing about wrinkles. It's a compulsion.

[bolty58]

2 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Ah the age thing again. You have issues with age. Want to tell us why?

Same tastes as Wayne Rooney. Didn't you know that?

[BobyBrno]

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

I have a thing about wrinkles. It's a compulsion.

No, you have prejudice problems. The Labour Party have education people who can help you with these problems. I can give you a name for someone in your area to help.

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

No, you have prejudice problems. The Labour Party have education people who can help you with these problems. I can give you a name for someone in your area to help.

You're right I do. Please send me the name. You can write it on here or there's things called emails now that all the kids are using. Thanks pops.

[bolty58]

One factor not mentioned so far in this conflict and most of the others which are current.

Over population. There is a major (possibly catastrophic) war coming somewhere down the line. The root cause is over population.

The signs are all there. Squabbles over land (Ukraine, Middle East etc.), food shortages resulting in African migration to Western Europe etc., climate change related to the globe being unable to sustain this population and its emissions.

Feel free to call me the harbinger of doom but don't be complacent. These nutjob apocalypse preparers may well have been on to something all along. Where's that tinfoil?

[BobyBrno]

7 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

You're right I do. Please send me the name. You can write it on here or there's things called emails now that all the kids are using. Thanks pops.

The first email sent was in 1971. 
Kids today are catching on quickly. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

15 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

One factor not mentioned so far in this conflict and most of the others which are current.

Over population. There is a major (possibly catastrophic) war coming somewhere down the line. The root cause is over population.

The signs are all there. Squabbles over land (Ukraine, Middle East etc.), food shortages resulting in African migration to Western Europe etc., climate change related to the globe being unable to sustain this population and its emissions.

Feel free to call me the harbinger of doom but don't be complacent. These nutjob apocalypse preparers may well have been on to something all along. Where's that tinfoil?

Quite.

Been saying as much, specifically here- too many folk for our island.

Too many contradicting factors making for a difficult society: food and water supply, housing, the environment, public services, mental health issues associated with overpopulated areas, etc etc.

Chuck all that together, with failing multiculturalism and it's a recipe for disaster.

Not sure what the answer is, but there is a heightened chance for spreading conflict.

 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

There's no intimidatory intent here

Definitely not

 

[London Wanderer]

42 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Maybe just a gummy nibble at your age.

😂 

You’re right it has gone mental, rational thinking people now convinced we’re a nation of terrorist sympathisers.

If I knew the views were that entrenched I wouldn’t have bothered.

[London Wanderer]

12 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Quite.

Been saying as much, specifically here- too many folk for our island.

Too many contradicting factors making for a difficult society: food and water supply, housing, the environment, public services, mental health issues associated with overpopulated areas, etc etc.

Chuck all that together, with failing multiculturalism and it's a recipe for disaster.

Not sure what the answer is, but there is a heightened chance for spreading conflict.

 

Interesting alternative arguments exist on this

https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/11/15/is-population-growth-fuelling-climate-change-its-not-that-simple-say-experts#:~:text=While more people consuming energy,several climate and population experts.

It would be naive to suggest it’s all down to overpopulation.

 Have to sign things off now by saying that’s only my opinion 👍

[BobyBrno]

Some sensitive people on here tonight. 😊

Anyway, he’s back!

 

 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

 

[BobyBrno]

21 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

😂

You’re right it has gone mental, rational thinking people now convinced we’re a nation of terrorist sympathisers.

We aren’t. There are many who are though. Too many.

If I knew the views were that entrenched I wouldn’t have bothered. No one’s forcing you.

 

 

[Wanderlust]

The Palestinian people are stateless and  powerless pawns in multiple political games and I can't help but feel sorry for them. The Palestinians are refugees living under the terror of the PLO's bastard offspring Hamas and Hezbollah who have systematically got them kicked out of one country after another so nobody wants them and the ordinary people can't rise up against their terrorist oppressors as they are ruthless and heavily armed whilst the ordinary folk have nothing to fight with.

Jordan has suppressed pro-Palestinian rallies and is currently considering evicting all Palestinians from their country - next door to the West Bank. Approximately 18% of the total population.

Syria has had waves of deporting Palestinians and has done so systematically for years since the PLO assassinated their pro Israel President Gemayel in the 80s

PLO also kicked off in Lebanon, the country has never recovered and is now dominated by Hezbollah.

So Egypt won't let them in for obvious reasons.

Turkey claims that the 4 million Palestinians should have a homeland like Mandatory Palestine that the British gave them and then took away - but denies the 40 million Kurds the same support.

Israel - whose population has grown fivefold in less than 60 years due to mass immigration of people who have no connection whatsoever with the land - is intent on taking all the land in the region.

Iran just stirs the pot in a general attempt to get others to undermine the West and it's own stooge, Israel.

It seems inevitable that the ordinary Palestinians will get slaughtered and/or end up homeless and stateless and become the world's biggest refugee crisis.

 

 

[bolty58]

5 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Some sensitive people on here tonight. 😊

Anyway, he’s back!

 

 

...and speaking succinctly and brilliantly. In a nutshell. Always knew he was a good un.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

No intimidation here

 

[globaldiver]

8 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

The Palestinian people are stateless and  powerless pawns in multiple political games and I can't help but feel sorry for them. The Palestinians are refugees living under the terror of the PLO's bastard offspring Hamas and Hezbollah who have systematically got them kicked out of one country after another so nobody wants them and the ordinary people can't rise up against their terrorist oppressors as they are ruthless and heavily armed whilst the ordinary folk have nothing to fight with.

Jordan has suppressed pro-Palestinian rallies and is currently considering evicting all Palestinians from their country - next door to the West Bank. Approximately 18% of the total population.

Syria has had waves of deporting Palestinians and has done so systematically for years since the PLO assassinated their pro Israel President Gemayel in the 80s

PLO also kicked off in Lebanon, the country has never recovered and is now dominated by Hezbollah.

So Egypt won't let them in for obvious reasons.

Turkey claims that the 4 million Palestinians should have a homeland like Mandatory Palestine that the British gave them and then took away - but denies the 40 million Kurds the same support.

Israel - whose population has grown fivefold in less than 60 years due to mass immigration of people who have no connection whatsoever with the land - is intent on taking all the land in the region.

Iran just stirs the pot in a general attempt to get others to undermine the West and it's own stooge, Israel.

It seems inevitable that the ordinary Palestinians will get slaughtered and/or end up homeless and stateless and become the world's biggest refugee crisis.

 

 

Some interesting points, but some correction needed;

Jewish people are connected with the land, wherever they might have been born/have lived in the interim. Read Stephen Pollard from early October;

“This weekend did not pose an existential threat to Israel, but it has shaken it – and the Jewish diaspora – to the core. For Israelis, security has, for understandable reasons, always been their main concern: in daily life, in politics, in culture – in just about everything. And while those of us who do not live in Israel have different concerns in our daily lives, Israel’s security is the emotional foundation on which we rely.

I repeatedly tell anyone who asks that being a Jew in Britain today puts me in the cohort of the luckiest Jews who have ever lived. We are not merely tolerated, we are part of the fabric of society. Yes, there are problems – antisemitism is at a high, and there are always shocking incidents – but overall the garden is rosy indeed. At no point in our history – well, in the past 2,000 years – have Jews been able to say with certainty that we are safe. History suggests that even when we think we are enmeshed and safe, something or someone will upend that safety. Just think of the Jews of Vienna at the turn of the 20th century.

My grandmother used to keep a packed suitcase in her bedroom. I always thought she was slightly mad to do so, and mocked her for it as a boy. Until I grew up, read some history and realised that she was being entirely logical. Even if I don’t have an actual suitcase, the idea that I might have to flee at some distant, unimaginable but possible point in the future –  which Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership of the Labour Party made it all too plausible in the here and now – is buried somewhere in my psyche, as it is in every Jew with any conception of history.

The tragedy of the Jews is that until 1948 a packed suitcase made little difference. We could run, as it were, but we couldn’t hide. We would have to stop somewhere – and we were entirely dependent on the willingness of somewhere else to say ‘come in’. And, as the Jews found out when Hitler came to power, there were very few countries willing to say that.

Israel has changed what it means to be Jewish. I – we – might indeed have to flee. But now there is somewhere to welcome us – our historic home, Israel”

[royal white]

41 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

No intimidation here

 

Look at the state of the Utter fkin M0ngs. 

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Look at the state of the Utter fkin M0ngs. 

Get the water cannons out…. In fact tear gas might be better option. 

[mickbrown]

10 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Some sensitive people on here tonight. 😊

Anyway, he’s back!

 

 

In what capacity?

He’s a national embarrassment. 

[royal white]

10 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Some sensitive people on here tonight. 😊

Anyway, he’s back!

 

 

Imagine the wank fest on here if a former (black) President had said that

[Zico]

1 hour ago, globaldiver said:

Some interesting points, but some correction needed;

Jewish people are connected with the land, wherever they might have been born/have lived in the interim. Read Stephen Pollard from early October;

“This weekend did not pose an existential threat to Israel, but it has shaken it – and the Jewish diaspora – to the core. For Israelis, security has, for understandable reasons, always been their main concern: in daily life, in politics, in culture – in just about everything. And while those of us who do not live in Israel have different concerns in our daily lives, Israel’s security is the emotional foundation on which we rely.

I repeatedly tell anyone who asks that being a Jew in Britain today puts me in the cohort of the luckiest Jews who have ever lived. We are not merely tolerated, we are part of the fabric of society. Yes, there are problems – antisemitism is at a high, and there are always shocking incidents – but overall the garden is rosy indeed. At no point in our history – well, in the past 2,000 years – have Jews been able to say with certainty that we are safe. History suggests that even when we think we are enmeshed and safe, something or someone will upend that safety. Just think of the Jews of Vienna at the turn of the 20th century.

My grandmother used to keep a packed suitcase in her bedroom. I always thought she was slightly mad to do so, and mocked her for it as a boy. Until I grew up, read some history and realised that she was being entirely logical. Even if I don’t have an actual suitcase, the idea that I might have to flee at some distant, unimaginable but possible point in the future –  which Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership of the Labour Party made it all too plausible in the here and now – is buried somewhere in my psyche, as it is in every Jew with any conception of history.

The tragedy of the Jews is that until 1948 a packed suitcase made little difference. We could run, as it were, but we couldn’t hide. We would have to stop somewhere – and we were entirely dependent on the willingness of somewhere else to say ‘come in’. And, as the Jews found out when Hitler came to power, there were very few countries willing to say that.

Israel has changed what it means to be Jewish. I – we – might indeed have to flee. But now there is somewhere to welcome us – our historic home, Israel”

All valid points but why since they moved back in 1948 do they continually take more and more land back and squeeze the Palestinians out, more often than not with force 

The history of everything tells you that all be met with resistance 

It doesn't excuse Hamas 

And historical persecution of the Jews doesn't justify their actions either 

Just have to accept it will keep rumbling on until they reach a truce (won't happen), Palestinians and in turn Hamas are eliminated (won't happen) or Jews are eliminated (won't happen) 

 

[Spider]

I'm still #TeamYiddo

But

A lot of the sympathy they garner across the world is because of the holocaust. And rightly so.

They're well in credit in that sense.

But they need to be careful not to end up basically doing the same thing to Palestinians as the Nazis did to them.

They could easily lose a lot of support.

 

[Not in Crawley]

11 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

😂

You’re right it has gone mental, rational thinking people now convinced we’re a nation of terrorist sympathisers.

If I knew the views were that entrenched I wouldn’t have bothered.

Whilst I admire your fortitude, nothing would get achieved in terms of views on here through posts.

And lets be honest, its a bit more fun having a wee gentle laugh at certain posters than trying to rationalise with them.