Is it kicking off big time or is this just everyday stuff they deal with or a bit of both?

 

All hail The Don.

Still don’t think he’ll get his Nobel prize tomorrow though, so it might all kick off again on Saturday.

If he pulls this off then fair fucking play.

Gives us hope with Russia.

Let's see how long any cease-fire lasts 

It's not just on the US - Turkey, Egypt, Qatar all involved 

The ideal would be if they can come up with a plan that now removes Hamas and the Israeli regime from power

“Oi, Hamas. We expect you to pack up and stop being involved in Palestine”

”yeah, no worries, that’s definitely what we’ll do”

 

Lasting peace won’t happen there as long as I have a hole in my arse

28 minutes ago, Zico said:

Let's see how long any cease-fire lasts 

A very good point.

Some might think Bibi will only play along until all of the hostages are home then pivot and annihilate what remains of Hamas. I hope they are correct.

Aye either way it's peace or hamas get wiped off the planet.

Chicken Dinner.

43 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

A very good point.

Some might think Bibi will only play along until all of the hostages are home then pivot and annihilate what remains of Hamas. Gaza & Palestine, I hope they are correct.

aye, it was never about the hostages

If it holds then it's a great day for the Palestinians and for the hostages and their families. 

I'm pleased but I wouldn't say I'm in celebratory mood. It's too late to bring back the people who have been killed on both sides. And there's an awfully long way to go before we know this is going to hold. 

They need to flood Gaza with aid now. And get proper medical care in there. They also need to allow the free press in so that we get a better understanding of the realities on the ground, whether war crimes have been committed, or whether Hamas have been lying to us about the rates of starvation and the number of dead. 

We also need to understand what the plans are to rebuild Gaza. And how they are planning to disarm Hamas 

I'm quietly optimistic - but also mindful of how fragile peace is in these areas. 

Hopefully get the terrorists on the other side before an international court at some point. Doubt it though. 

The ICC that isn't recognised by the biggest powers around?

Will almost certianly never happen. 

Too much politics, and potential conflicts of interest.

3 hours ago, Zico said:

aye, it was never about the hostages

What nonsense. It was always about the hostages and the extermination of Hamas.

Direct your ire at Hamas, not a country attempting to ensure an October 7th never happens again. At the end of the day it is Hamas responsible for the IDF being in Gaza and Hamas using women, children, the old and infirm as human shields.

1 minute ago, bolty58 said:

What nonsense. It was always about the hostages and the extermination of Hamas.

Direct your ire at Hamas, not a country attempting to ensure an October 7th never happens again. At the end of the day it is Hamas responsible for the IDF being in Gaza and Hamas using women, children, the old and infirm as human shields.

Aye.

And other malign forces/backers/sympathisers conducting activities contrary to the national interests both here and elsewhere.

Obviously, if this works, then great, but you can only imagine it being part of the cycle of conflict and peace. 

40 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Direct your ire at Hamas

I don't feel inclined to choose a side, so I will direct it at both

18 minutes ago, Zico said:

I don't feel inclined to choose a side, so I will direct it at both

That's where I am. And if there have been atrocities on either side - then I just hope those responsible are brought to account. 

We shouldn't be turning a blind eye because they're our 'friends'

For what it's worth, our relationship with Israel is a transactional one

They aren't a friend or an ally in any meaningful sense

55 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

For what it's worth, our relationship with Israel is a transactional one

They aren't a friend or an ally in any meaningful sense

No - but you could class them as a 'Western liberal democracy'

Or at least you could before the invasion of Gaza. I'm not sure I would these days. 

Israel have taken more hostages in recent years than Hamas. 

Important to remember that

3 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

Israel have taken more hostages in recent years than Hamas. 

Important to remember that

Hostages or sausages? 🫠

11 hours ago, kent_white said:

No - but you could class them as a 'Western liberal democracy'

Or at least you could before the invasion of Gaza. I'm not sure I would these days. 

Sorry pal.

That is utter drivel. The cunts who started it almost got what they deserved - a little to go yet - and if they aren't exterminated should think twice before launching anything like the 7th October again.

Probably wouldn't stop them. Visceral hatred allied with primitive theology would likely to be too potent a cocktail for those with murderous intent.

11 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

Israel have taken more hostages in recent years than Hamas. 

Important to remember that

Hostages? You mean murdering criminals caught in their streets?

Let's wait to see the state of the surviving Israeli hostages when they are released. They will be in infinitely worse shape than the Palestinian criminals being released and will resemble haunting photos we have seen from Belsen, Auschwitz and Dachau. No surprise that Palestinians would present a similar product to their erstwhile heroes, the National Socialist Party of the 1930's/40's.

4 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Hostages? You mean murdering criminals caught in their streets?

 

Yes hostages, exactly that.

I posted this recently, but you had me on ignore like a clown, so I’ll post it again 😊

Israel have an administrative detention law where they aren’t required to give a reason for arrest or even give the detainee a right to trial. No doubt some are arrested for valid reasons & are a violent threat like you say. However, Israel’s data showed that only a quarter detained were fighters . There is widespread evidence of Israel taking innocent civilians, even journalists & children & locking them away. With no right to trial & no reason given . If that’s not taking hostages, then I’ve no idea what is. 
 

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/07/israel-must-end-mass-incommunicado-detention-and-torture-of-palestinians-from-gaza/

 And this was happening long, long before Oct 7th.

 Your unconditional support for one side just makes you look naive. You’ve painted this conflict as good vs evil, when the reality is far more complex. You don’t achieve peace by only blaming one side.

And yes, I fear for the state of those hostages. 

White = Hostages

Brown = Prisoners

5 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Sorry pal.

That is utter drivel. The cunts who started it almost got what they deserved - a little to go yet - and if they aren't exterminated should think twice before launching anything like the 7th October again.

Probably wouldn't stop them. Visceral hatred allied with primitive theology would likely to be too potent a cocktail for those with murderous intent.

I disagree mate. 

I suppose we'll just have to see whether the international community have the balls to launch a proper investigation into the conduct of Israel during the war - and take action where they find any evidence of atrocities taking place. 

We already know Hamas have commited inhuman acts - and I hope they are brought to justice and made an example of too! 

18 hours ago, kent_white said:

No - but you could class them as a 'Western liberal democracy'

Or at least you could before the invasion of Gaza. I'm not sure I would these days. 

They have elections.

Prior to the war, there had been difficulties because of the lack of a majority, hence a coalition. 

They will have them again.

A war doesn't necessarily negate that.

I suspect BN will fall the same way as Churchill, and probably without a subsequent, brief, rise. 

17 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

They have elections.

Prior to the war, there had been difficulties because of the lack of a majority, hence a coalition. 

They will have them again.

A war doesn't necessarily negate that.

I suspect BN will fall the same way as Churchill, and probably without a subsequent, brief, rise. 

Eeeek - are you comparing BH to WC? I'm not having that one (as a patriot) 😁

Gaza had elections before the war - but I wouldn't class them as a 'Western Liberal Democracy' either. 

Israel are a pariah to me now. Although I expect Keir Starmer will take the path of pragmatism - which seems to be his style. 

It'll be interesting to see what happens to BN in the next elections. 

PS - when are you coming over for a brew? I've not seen you for ages. Would be good to catch up! 👍