Mounts Kipper Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Escobarp said: But the debt will be to him I assume and not a third party/bank? But like Morris at derby eventually they all get fed up, or pass away. Would FFP not be the issue next season surely they can’t retain the same wage bill and not risk FFP points deductions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Would FFP not be the issue next season surely they can’t retain the same wage bill and not risk FFP points deductions. I might be wrong but I didn’t think we had FFP in league one? I thought it was a salary cap in 1&2 but they were scrapped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted May 9, 2022 Moderators Share Posted May 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, Escobarp said: In no way trying to justify this as no league one player for me should even be on 10k pw . But do folk realise kachunga was on 25k per week at huddersfield? Yes it was championship and premier league and not league one but it was huddersfield and kachunga. maybe gives a bit of context to some of the daft money still kicking about for pretty average players Keeper seemingly highest paid and not even on 30k just had a quick look out of shock. Only 28k he’s on. 28k for a keeper in league one! Bannon 21k. It source is correct. I reckon Huddersfield season ticket holders, not that i know any, would've thought kachunga to be well worth the money as he helped them get up and stay up You could argue madine was money well spent as he was signed to help get Cardiff promoted and they did All about time and place See Amos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Just now, Zico said: I reckon Huddersfield season ticket holders, not that i know any, would've thought kachunga to be well worth the money as he helped them get up and stay up You could argue madine was money well spent as he was signed to help get Cardiff promoted and they did All about time and place See Amos Absolutely. But bannan for comparison if on Say 20k a week. Now he’s a luxury they don’t need seemingly. If he played a pass like that one for the goal tonight and it got them promoted then he’s worth it I guess. Like you say time and place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantra Posted May 9, 2022 Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: I might be wrong but I didn’t think we had FFP in league one? I thought it was a salary cap in 1&2 but they were scrapped? I think they have something similar to FFP but it's less strict: http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php Basically you can't spend more than 60% of your turnover. Not sure how things changed post-pandemic though. Full rules are here if you go to page 180 https://www.efl.com/contentassets/b3cd34c726c341ca9636610aa4503172/regulations-season-2021-22-final.pdf Can't be arsed reading it all though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted May 9, 2022 Moderators Share Posted May 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: Absolutely. But bannan for comparison if on Say 20k a week. Now he’s a luxury they don’t need seemingly. If he played a pass like that one for the goal tonight and it got them promoted then he’s worth it I guess. Like you say time and place. Aye, should've also said hindsight and all that We've been there Keith Andrews and all that I'm just glad we've gone full circle and are starting again on an upward trajectory Spunking 000s on average players and it not working out No thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Mantra said: I think they have something similar to FFP but it's less strict: http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php Basically you can't spend more than 60% of your turnover. Not sure how things changed post-pandemic though. Full rules are here if you go to page 180 https://www.efl.com/contentassets/b3cd34c726c341ca9636610aa4503172/regulations-season-2021-22-final.pdf Can't be arsed reading it all though. See I thought that was the rules and the “salary cap” I referred to, but I’m sure it got scrapped unless that was just during the height of the covid pandemic. but if it is then sheff weds with a wage bill of I don’t know 8/10m would be fine. It’s a shit measure tbh as they can spend unlimited amounts of transfers , agents etc outside of that. Not worth paper it’s written on Edited May 9, 2022 by Escobarp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 21 minutes ago, Escobarp said: In no way trying to justify this as no league one player for me should even be on 10k pw . But do folk realise kachunga was on 25k per week at huddersfield? Yes it was championship and premier league and not league one but it was huddersfield and kachunga. maybe gives a bit of context to some of the daft money still kicking about for pretty average players Keeper seemingly highest paid and not even on 30k just had a quick look out of shock. Only 28k he’s on. 28k for a keeper in league one! Bannon 21k. It source is correct. Peacock Farrell is on a long contract at Burnley, he's at Sheff Wed on loan, so they don't have to carry on paying him and not sure if the £28k is partly covered by Burnley? Anyway it sounds like he won't be back next season if they're skint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantra Posted May 9, 2022 Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 Just now, Zico said: Spunking 000s on average players and it not working out No thanks Reality is most clubs probably are spunking 000s on players that aren't worth it. It's just part of the absurdity of the beautiful game. There's so much risk and reward with player transfers. Clubs have players that are stealing a living. Or clubs are paying wages they can't afford. Millwall were spunking 000s on Bodvarsson for him to be sitting around doing feck all and they probably thought he's a waste of space. But for us he's been top class so far. Kinda feeds into your time and place comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Iirc Wednesday's owner was chucking loads of money in, expecting to get them up. When they fell further away from the PL promotion spots, he was complaining that FFP prevented him from chucking more in. They can probably afford to continue paying the high wages until they get back into the Championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Traf Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 59 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: Peacock Farrell is on a long contract at Burnley, he's at Sheff Wed on loan, so they don't have to carry on paying him and not sure if the £28k is partly covered by Burnley? Anyway it sounds like he won't be back next season if they're skint. They're after Doncaster's keeper apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Escobarp said: Did they not sell the stadium at an inflated value to another company owned by same owner and this covered a chunk of the losses for about 3 years? Yes, as did Derby. An accounting trick to disguise, very poorly, what the incomings were & so to alter the apparent difference between income & spending were ... for financial fair play calculations. Not in either the letter, or spirit of FFP regulations and was the crux of their misdemeanours. Both clubs got different punishments abd, due to Derby's deliberate filibustering, in different seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Mantra said: Should have fckg flattened him then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desperado Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Look at this table from 28th March. You wouldn't have predicted a Wycombe and Sunderland final. Just goes to show, the play-offs is all about peaking at the right time not necessarily about consistency over the season. Less so if you’re aiming for an automatic spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 When we beat ipswich in play offs think we snuck in by a few points and finished 10 behind them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 21 minutes ago, desperado said: Look at this table from 28th March. You wouldn't have predicted a Wycombe and Sunderland final. Just goes to show, the play-offs is all about peaking at the right time not necessarily about consistency over the season. Less so if you’re aiming for an automatic spot. Maybe not predicted, but the top 8 there ended up as the top 8 and play off finalists were only a win away from being 5th there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 In the last 30 years overall it appears finishing third is still the best position with nearly 40% of winners coming third. But more recently its better to finish 6th..so there something that seems to have shifted psychologically in recent times, or it's just a quirk, or it's all just bollocky stats. Either way, you can spin it whatever way you want but you need the better team and also, like all knockouts, luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyther_Matt Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Just now, Not in Crawley said: In the last 30 years overall it appears finishing third is still the best position with nearly 40% of winners coming third. But more recently its better to finish 6th..so there something that seems to have shifted psychologically in recent times, or it's just a quirk, or it's all just bollocky stats. Either way, you can spin it whatever way you want but you need the better team and also, like all knockouts, luck. Psychologically there must be something in it. MK must have been shattered after fighting so hard and missing out on automatic promotion. Meanwhile, had we managed to keep our run going in the spring then that level of momentum would have been absolutely unstoppable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said: Psychologically there must be something in it. MK must have been shattered after fighting so hard and missing out on automatic promotion. Meanwhile, had we managed to keep our run going in the spring then that level of momentum would have been absolutely unstoppable. Just don't finish 5th, it's like less than 20% or something of playoff winners finish there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolton in bedford Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Maybe the advantage is to play at home first, get a lead and then park the bus. Happened in both games, more so in MK v Wycombe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Leyther_Matt said: Psychologically there must be something in it. MK must have been shattered after fighting so hard and missing out on automatic promotion. Meanwhile, had we managed to keep our run going in the spring then that level of momentum would have been absolutely unstoppable. I'm interested to see how Northampton get on in play offs for this very reason after the Bristol Rovers business at weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said: In the last 30 years overall it appears finishing third is still the best position with nearly 40% of winners coming third. But more recently its better to finish 6th..so there something that seems to have shifted psychologically in recent times, or it's just a quirk, or it's all just bollocky stats. Either way, you can spin it whatever way you want but you need the better team and also, like all knockouts, luck. I suppose it depends on how a team finishes sixth. If they sneak in on the final day on a good run of form I can see how that momentum would be useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 On 02/05/2022 at 22:56, Traf said: Yep, failure to make the play-offs will cost Bowyer his job. Bowyer gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted May 17, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted May 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said: Bowyer gone Neville practising what he preaches again hey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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