Meanwhile In England

[DazBob]

So, do you want the death penalty back or not?

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, DazBob said:

So, do you want the death penalty back or not?

You’re struggling with this aren’t you 

[Not in Crawley]

11 minutes ago, royal white said:

38 years ago, when mistakes were a lot more common. 

 

I’m not on about if I thought my relative was innocent. If my relative was, for example the Southport murderer, or the Yorkshire Ripper, or Harold shipman Id want them dead.

That's not what he asked.

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

That's not what he asked.

Because there would be no doubt if they’re innocent or not like the 3 people I mentioned. 
 

[gonzo]

I'd have the death penalty back for the most extreme irrefutable cases.

Southport Killer, The Lee Rigby dude etc.

 

[Zico]

22 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I'd have the death penalty back for the most extreme irrefutable cases.

Southport Killer, The Lee Rigby dude etc.

 

I know what you mean

But

This is the issue 

If it's not irrefutable they shouldn't even be sent down

It's basically saying if there's any doubt send them to prison instead of killing then 

Anyway 

It's not coming back unless we get taken over by Sharia law 

[Not in Crawley]

30 minutes ago, royal white said:

Because there would be no doubt if they’re innocent or not like the 3 people I mentioned. 
 

Given that the death penalty has been proven to have no effect on crime rates, why would you have it back? 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Given that the death penalty has been proven to have no effect on crime rates, why would you have it back? 

I’ve already said in here. Save millions. They have absolutely nothing to give back to society. There’s nothing to gain keeping them alive. 
 

Why do you want them to live? 

[Cheese]

19 minutes ago, Zico said:

I know what you mean

But

This is the issue 

If it's not irrefutable they shouldn't even be sent down

It's basically saying if there's any doubt send them to prison instead of killing then 

Anyway 

It's not coming back unless we get taken over by Sharia law 

Correct.

The man who's just been released after serving 38 years for a crime he didn't commit would be dead. It's as simple as that. It doesn't matter how strong the evidence is at the time. The Justice system is run by humans, and humans make mistakes. Sometimes humans make wrong judgements on purpose. Anyone who wants us to move closer towards the "Justice" system of places like Saudi Arabia has something wrong with them.

Edited May 14, 2025 by Cheese

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Correct.

The man who's just been released after serving 38 years for a crime he didn't commit would be dead. It's as simple as that. It doesn't matter how strong the evidence is at the time. The Justice system is run by humans, and humans make mistakes. Sometimes humans make wrong judgements on purpose. Anyone who wants us to move closer towards the "Justice" system of places like Saudi Arabia has something wrong with them.

No surprise that you picked Saudi. A country full of “Muslim wankers” as you refer to them

[Zico]

27 minutes ago, royal white said:

No surprise that you picked Saudi. A country full of “Muslim wankers” as you refer to them

Thing is

You don't want to follow the USAs lead where prisoners can sit on death row for years waiting for execution 

You want swift deaths

That's what Sharia law offers

[Not in Crawley]

43 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’ve already said in here. Save millions. They have absolutely nothing to give back to society. There’s nothing to gain keeping them alive. 
 

Why do you want them to live? 

Financially it doesnt save 'millions'

So given it doesn't work as a deterrent, and doesn't hugely save money, why would you reinstate it, other than it'd make you feel that justice has been served?

[DazBob]

36 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’ve already said in here. Save millions. They have absolutely nothing to give back to society. There’s nothing to gain keeping them alive. 
 

Why do you want them to live? 

So you actually think of the Southport killer was sentenced to death it would save us millions?? Haha.

You do know the cost per prisoner is worked out on cost absorption don't you?

Whilst there would undoubtedly be a saving, it certainly wouldn't go anywhere near 'millions'

 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, DazBob said:

So you actually think of the Southport killer was sentenced to death it would save us millions?? Haha.

You do know the cost per prisoner is worked out on cost absorption don't you?

Whilst there would undoubtedly be a saving, it certainly wouldn't go anywhere near 'millions'

 

How much would it be then? 

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Financially it doesnt save 'millions'

So given it doesn't work as a deterrent, and doesn't hugely save money, why would you reinstate it, other than it'd make you feel that justice has been served?

How do you know when we don’t have a death sentence over here?
 

How much does it save then? 

[Zico]

It's the idea that we'd be better off as a nation financially that amuses me 

The death penalty will not bring our taxes down 

The government will spaff our money one way or another

We will feel zero financial benefit 

They may tell us otherwise 

But they're all liars anyway 

[royal white]

9 minutes ago, Zico said:

Thing is

You don't want to follow the USAs lead where prisoners can sit on death row for years waiting for execution 

You want swift deaths

That's what Sharia law offers

Why would you want to follow Americas lead. All we hear is how fucked America is as a country? Now you’re using them as an example? 

 

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

How do you know when we don’t have a death sentence over here?
 

How much does it save then? 

I'm not the one saying it would 'save millions'

I suggest you back up that falsehood first.

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

Why would you want to follow Americas lead. All we hear is how fucked America is as a country? Now you’re using them as an example? 

 

Again, that's not what he asked.

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Again, that's not what he asked.

He didn’t ask anything. For someone who says he does a lot of reading you’re not very good at it. 
 

And again, as you must have missed it earlier. Why do you want them to live? 

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I'm not the one saying it would 'save millions'

I suggest you back up that falsehood first.

You’re the one saying it wouldn’t cost that. 
 

Average cost per prisoner per year is approx 55k. 
 

I’ll leave you to do the rest of the maths. 

[Zico]

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

Why would you want to follow Americas lead. All we hear is how fucked America is as a country? Now you’re using them as an example? 

 

I didn't say we follow Americas lead because I don't think we should have a death penalty 

If we did have one, it would undoubtedly be one which has trials, appeals and lengthy costly legal scrubs

All we hear is Muslims follow backwards stone age rules and laws

Now you're suggesting we do the same

[Not in Crawley]

Just now, royal white said:

He didn’t ask anything. For someone who says he does a lot of reading you’re not very good at it. 
 

And again, as you must have missed it earlier. Why do you want them to live? 

For you, sadly I am. Which is why you are looking a bit daft with this one.

You are trying to make an emotional point to suggest I'd like someone who has done something unspeakable to live.

However, that isn't the real issue. 

You'd like a shooting squad from the courtroom. There are reasons why this doesn't happen.

You then suggest is saves 'millions' Which it doesn't.

Again, you are making overly simplistic points and dress it up as common sense of which isn't.

I suggest you, do a bit more of that reading rather than gut reactions. 

[Not in Crawley]

4 minutes ago, royal white said:

You’re the one saying it wouldn’t cost that. 
 

Average cost per prisoner per year is approx 55k. 
 

I’ll leave you to do the rest of the maths. 

You are a fan of Google. Have a little look, because you are wrong.

[DazBob]

18 minutes ago, royal white said:

How much would it be then? 

I've no idea. I'd need to see what the variable costs were per prisoner and also what reductions in the fixed costs would be. I can certainly say we not be going into 7 figures.

I'm not the one who said we'd save millions.