6 coppers to take him down or 1 member of the public with his bike? 
 

 

 

19 minutes ago, gonzo said:

It doesn't matter what they've done. He could've just nonced a load of kids, it's not up to them to make judgement on what he's just done or apparently done.

They are first responders.

There are two things for me

1) Why did they not take the appropriate action given the circumstances?

2) Did the fact that they'd been told it followed a 'racially motivated incident' or the ethnicities of the people involved have any bearing on their chosen course of action?

2 minutes ago, Ani said:

Ok but if there are similarities between the events but there is a major difference in terms of who actually killed the person does not that mean the reactions are likely to be different ? 
 

If he had ‘only’ had the site kicked out of him we would not even know about it so the murder and therefore murderer is the major element surely. The George Floyd death was a consequence of over zealous policing rather than some cunt sticking a knife in someone. 

I know that but whichever way you look at there’s similarities, mainly bad policing and 2 dead bodies. 
 

Again the comparison was aimed at the protests after and politicians jumping on a bandwagon  

12 hours ago, frank_spencer said:

what in the fuck is this going to achieve

I've no idea why the green bin has a blue lid 

Just now, Ani said:

Was it the murderer and/or his family that made the call ? 

It was the brother.

https://x.com/Telegraph/status/2061854891975352493/video/1?s=46

11 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

There was a chain of events starting with the 999 call asking for police, not ambulance. I’ve listened to the call. The Telegraph have it on X. All the right questions were asked and the wrong answers given. The brother said they had been racially attacked both verbally physically. He was asked what injuries. Facial. Was medical attention required. No. Was a weapon involved. No.

That in formation would then be passed onto a dispatcher and then any available officers in the area. That information was what the police attending arrived with. I guess that will be the mitigation offered when an inquiry is launched. 

Where it all went horribly wrong for the police, is how they assessed the situation when they got there. We’ve all seen or heard how it went from there.

ok, so now it starts to make a bit more sense

they've been fed duff information from the off

does the fact it was reported as racial make any difference to their attitude when they arrived?

this doesn't compare even in the slightest to george floyd for anyone trying to suggest it did

it's not two tier policing, none of that shit

just rank bad policing

4 minutes ago, L/H White said:

I've no idea why the green bin has a blue lid 

Wonder if a load of carling cans and baked bean tins slid out when he picked it up

“That is why we are calling on the Government to treat knife crime as the national emergency it is."

 

This line should from the victims family should be the biggest take from all of this, successive governments say they’re cutting down on knife crime and issuing longer sentences, week in week out there’s attacks and sentences of a couple of years, it’s pathetic. 10 years minimum for carrying, 20 for using. Same with the paedos and rapists. However we all know it won’t happen. 

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

“That is why we are calling on the Government to treat knife crime as the national emergency it is."

 

This line should from the victims family should be the biggest take from all of this, successive governments say they’re cutting down on knife crime and issuing longer sentences, week in week out there’s attacks and sentences of a couple of years, it’s pathetic. 10 years minimum for carrying, 20 for using. Same with the paedos and rapists. However we all know it won’t happen. 

to be fair this guy just got sent down for life, minimum 21 years

the outcome of this should be sikhs aren't allowed to carry big knives because of religion

3 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Wonder if a load of carling cans and baked bean tins slid out when he picked it up

green is usually food and garden waste silly

2 minutes ago, Zico said:

to be fair this guy just got sent down for life

And as I mentioned there’s many that aren’t, there’s a problem in the country which the family have mentioned. 
 

And no relaxed laws for religious bollocks either 

Edited June 3Jun 3 by royal white

5 minutes ago, Zico said:

to be fair this guy just got sent down for life, minimum 21 years

the outcome of this should be sikhs aren't allowed to carry big knives because of religion

They are n’t  allowed to carry big knives , the knife used was not the ceremonial they are allowed to carry. I read that yesterday somewhere some Sikh guy saying the knife used was one that he had no religious need to be carrying. 

No idea if the small ceremonial ones are capable of causing such damage. Pretty sure there will be a ban on the smaller ones now too. 

Any prejudice (literal sense) in this isn't recial for me.

Given the information they had, copper's turned up thinking he's dealing with yet another drunken dickhead kicking off.

Problem then is not parking that and assessing the scene for himself once he got there.

Tragic situation and clearly poor situational policing, but anyone using it as an excuse to take to the streets and lob stuff at coppers needs a good dose of Bolty's water cannons.

16 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

It was the brother.

https://x.com/Telegraph/status/2061854891975352493/video/1?s=46

Thanks.

Brother needs charging too then - not defending the people attacking the family home but the family have seemingly gone too far.

From your info it does seem that the Police have been fed information from the family that has influenced their actions. How much of that influence has come from the fact they claimed it was racial rather than the other lies they told is the great unknown. 

 

1 minute ago, Ani said:

They are n’t  allowed to carry big knives , the knife used was not the ceremonial they are allowed to carry. I read that yesterday somewhere some Sikh guy saying the knife used was one that he had no religious need to be carrying. 

No idea if the small ceremonial ones are capable of causing such damage. Pretty sure there will be a ban on the smaller ones now too. 

aye, knife size doesn't matter, but i reckon they can do some damage 

reading up on it, some sikhs think kids in schools should be allowed to carry them

wiki says

Usually 15–90 cm (6–35 in);
most common is 15–30 cm (6–12 in)

 

 

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Why?

They believed the report of a racist attack, and ignored comments from others on scene.

Minds made up before getting there.

Without that "racism" accusation they would have more likely done what they should have- treat the scene as was presented to them upon arrival.

In other words, a man claiming to have been stabbed, with witnesses confirming it.

 

Agree

They received a call saying there’d been racial abuse/ assault 
I don’t think there can be any doubt when they got there they had that in their mind and how they treated the situation and it’s both rank bad police negligence which could have been caused by the emphasis on dealing  with racism training or how that copper interpreted that training, which obviously could be one leading to the other . 
I don’t think it’s two tier as such but I definitely think from watching that the assumption was that there had been a racial element from the victim and the training on how to deal with that contributed to their reaction . I don’t think they knew he’d been stabbed and just left him to die but fucking hell  slumped over like he was handcuffing him without checking him over shows they thought they were dealing with a perpetrator rather than a victim before establishing the facts . 
 Will only know that if they release what that training / process is , which I’m sure will come out in any enquiry
 

 

anyway

judges words 

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Digwa-Final-Sentencing-Remarks.pdf

You then showed a callous disregard for his wellbeing, knowing you had stabbed him to the chest. You continued to make films of Henry suffering, ignoring much of his desperation at having been stabbed. You told him that had not happened, no doubt to convince others who were nearby. Your attitude did not change even though Henry was clearly going downhill very fast. Your brother did much the same, although he may just have been accepting that which you had told him, rather than lying himself. 

You joined your brother in relating these lies to the police. By then your mother and father were at the scene. Gurpreet explained that no weapons had been involved or were present. In fact, whilst he was talking to the call operator, you told your mother to take the murder weapon, sheath and belt away which she did. You did not tell your father what had really happened. Much of the time you just stood by as he, at least, tried to do something to help Henry.

You carried on telling these wicked lies when police attended on the scene, hampering them in doing their job and, effectively, obstructing the course of justice. 

20 minutes ago, Zico said:

aye, knife size doesn't matter, but i reckon they can do some damage 

reading up on it, some sikhs think kids in schools should be allowed to carry them

wiki says

Usually 15–90 cm (6–35 in);
most common is 15–30 cm (6–12 in)

 

 

I must admit, as much as I respect most rights for people's freedom of religious expression, I've never understood why these ceremonial items actually need to be sharp. Surely serve the same purpose if they're blunt and unedged. 

Saw this on BBC North West news. Is it relevant to the current discussion? It’s Bolton so definitely of interest. 
 

 

Edited June 3Jun 3 by BobyBrno

29 minutes ago, Zico said:

aye, knife size doesn't matter, but i reckon they can do some damage 

reading up on it, some sikhs think kids in schools should be allowed to carry them

wiki says

Usually 15–90 cm (6–35 in);
most common is 15–30 cm (6–12 in)

 

 

The point the Sikh guy was making was that the ‘ceremonial knife’ is actually a sword and the size does not matter so in theory could be  1 inch long.

The weapon he used was more of a knife and much bigger so linking the attack to the Kirpan is not relevant, although he accepted the rules on it would change. I never even knew that Sikhs always carry a Kirpan before all this. 

8 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Saw this on BBC North West news. Is it relevant to the current discussion? It’s Bolton so definitely of interest. 
 

 

Not sure of the relevance as RW has pointed the sentences given for a wide range of sexual and violent crimes seem woefully inadequate at times. And the prosecution rate is equally awful, irrespective of the attackers job, race etc. 

 

1 minute ago, Ani said:

The point the Sikh guy was making was that the ‘ceremonial knife’ is actually a sword and the size does not matter so in theory could be  1 inch long.

The weapon he used was more of a knife and much bigger so linking the attack to the Kirpan is not relevant, although he accepted the rules on it would change. I never even knew that Sikhs always carry a Kirpan before all this. 

Yup, part of the five Ks of Sikhism. So the long hair, the comb, loose shorts, the Kara (bracelet) and the Kirpan - which as you say can be tiny but all are never to be parted from the body.

16 minutes ago, Ani said:

The point the Sikh guy was making was that the ‘ceremonial knife’ is actually a sword and the size does not matter so in theory could be  1 inch long.

The weapon he used was more of a knife and much bigger so linking the attack to the Kirpan is not relevant, although he accepted the rules on it would change. I never even knew that Sikhs always carry a Kirpan before all this. 

fact is he is walking carrying something seemingly based on his religion

Kirpan - Wikipedia https://share.google/DiLKKILomglHk9xuX

doesn't matter the length 

one person shouldn't be allowed and another shouldn't because of religion 

total ban 

swiss army knives also

1 hour ago, fatolive said:

Agree

They received a call saying there’d been racial abuse/ assault 
I don’t think there can be any doubt when they got there they had that in their mind and how they treated the situation and it’s both rank bad police negligence which could have been caused by the emphasis on dealing  with racism training or how that copper interpreted that training, which obviously could be one leading to the other . 
I don’t think it’s two tier as such but I definitely think from watching that the assumption was that there had been a racial element from the victim and the training on how to deal with that contributed to their reaction . I don’t think they knew he’d been stabbed and just left him to die but fucking hell  slumped over like he was handcuffing him without checking him over shows they thought they were dealing with a perpetrator rather than a victim before establishing the facts . 
 Will only know that if they release what that training / process is , which I’m sure will come out in any enquiry
 

 

Do you think if all other factors other than racial element were the same they would have treated the victim any differently or the outcome would have been different ? 
 

I just think they have taken on board the story told by the brother, (who the judge said even after the trial he does not know if he was lying or repeating the murderers story,) and just thought they were dealing with a drunken scroat ? I do not see how they have acted any differently if the murderer was a seemingly respectable white person. They thought he had made no attempt to flee, his dad was the only one trying to help the victim and his brother was backing up the story. 
 

Just really bad Police work 

Edited June 3Jun 3 by Ani

2 hours ago, L/H White said:

green is usually food and garden waste silly

But blue lid round here is bottles and cans ha

Edited June 3Jun 3 by gonzo

Farage just made an absolute cock of himself on PMQs. Pretty much encouraging Laxley and the protests.

imo

Edited June 3Jun 3 by Alf Hartigan
Imo