6 coppers to take him down or 1 member of the public with his bike? 
 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said:

Farage just made an absolute cock of himself on PMQs. Pretty much encouraging Laxley and the protests.

imo

He's always kept TR at arms length, even further at times. In return, TR has been very critical. That recent march and speeches showed a different approach by TR, and a more conciliatory attitude towards Reform.

Maybe things are afoot behind the scenes, as the parties on the right begin to realise they can't afford to keep tearing lumps out of each other.

A path they will have to navigate with care. 

14 minutes ago, Ani said:

Do you think if all other factors other than racial element were the same they would have treated the victim any differently or the outcome would have been different ? 
 

I just think they have taken on board the story told by the brother, (who the judge said even after the trial he does not know if he was lying or repeating the murderers story,) and just thought they were dealing with a drunken scroat ? I do not see how they have acted any differently if the murderer was a seemingly respectable white person. They thought he had made no attempt to flee, his dad was the only trying to help the victim and his brother was backing up the story. 
 

Just really bad Police work 

Possibly  not no, if they’d been told there’d been “ just an attack “ , they may have just behaved the same in fairness, ie if both were white. 

I’m just going off the reports of the way racial attacks are trained to be dealt with and thinking the coppers mindset was that he was dealing with a perpetrator of that rather than a victim. 
 

it’s entirely feasible that it could have been two white lads, or even two Sikhs and the result of just being a shit copper lead to the same ending. But it’s also feasible the coppers mindset on the fact he was attending a race hate situation was a contributing factor on his decision making. 

9 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said:

Farage just made an absolute cock of himself on PMQs. Pretty much encouraging Laxley and the protests.

imo

Starmer did make him look a bit of a dick, and I reckon, if Farage had that time again yesterday, he'd keep quiet. He knows he's made an error with this, but I suppose it detracts away from questions with regards to the £5M gift

2 minutes ago, fatolive said:

Possibly  not no, if they’d been told there’d been “ just an attack “ , they may have just behaved the same in fairness, ie if both were white. 

I’m just going off the reports of the way racial attacks are trained to be dealt with and thinking the coppers mindset was that he was dealing with a perpetrator of that rather than a victim. 
 

it’s entirely feasible that it could have been two white lads, or even two Sikhs and the result of just being a shit copper lead to the same ending. But it’s also feasible the coppers mindset on the fact he was attending a race hate situation was a contributing factor on his decision making. 

I'd agree with that last sentence, but like Ani said, bad policing.

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

He's always kept TR at arms length, even further at times. In return, TR has been very critical. That recent march and speeches showed a different approach by TR, and a more conciliatory attitude towards Reform.

Maybe things are afoot behind the scenes, as the parties on the right begin to realise they can't afford to keep tearing lumps out of each other.

A path they will have to navigate with care. 

As crass as the likes of Reform and Restore generally are, I can't see either of them going anywhere near TR, he's just too toxic

1 minute ago, Sweep said:

Starmer did make him look a bit of a dick, and I reckon, if Farage had that time again yesterday, he'd keep quiet. He knows he's made an error with this, but I suppose it detracts away from questions with regards to the £5M gift

Yes it does. I presumed he was going to be asked about that when I heard he was going to be there. It was hinted at by Starmer earlier on.

Police forces and officers seem absolutely paralysed by a fear of being perceived to be racist or not treating a perceived (or actual) racist incident seriously enough

It's painfully obvious to me that these officers received a report of a racist incident and arrived on the scene with the preconcieved idea he was a racist little shit, then acted accordingly

The fact they put him in handcuffs despite clearly not looking a threat will be a part of it

It's not uncommon that people feign injuries as a way to get out of being restrained in handcuffs so it's right that officers have to be mindful of that when arresting people, even sceptical sometimes, but what's on that footage isn't scepticism, it's contempt

"I don't think you have, mate"

"He's not been stabbed, I don't know why he's saying that"

"I know, but we have to check, don't we?"

Despite being told on arrival that he was bleeding from the mouth, despite him being slumped on the ground and held up by a passerby, despite him then falling back between a van and the house when that passerby let go, despite him telling the officers nine times that he'd been stabbed, despite him telling them he couldn't breathe, at no stage before he lost consciousness did the thought even enter their heads that he might be being truthful

I don't want safeguards around racial discrimination/bias to be removed because they're clearly important, but the status quo is leading to monstrous things like this and can't continue

Thankfully, it seems the government are committing to review police training principles

44 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I don't want safeguards around racial discrimination/bias to be removed because they're clearly important, but the status quo is leading to monstrous things like this and can't continue

Thankfully, it seems the government are committing to review police training principles

But a massive leap in both your posts is that it happened because the coppers had been one some type of Black Lives Matter Most training. You have no idea how they would have reacted if victim and/or murderer was of different ethnicity. All medical evidence has said the delays by the Police did not affect the outcome
 

There seems to be a real narrative that the Police go on these racially aware courses and this changes their mindset. But there is no doubt that they will have been equally trained in how to respond in these circumstances but that training is just forgotten. Maybe they just need to change training providers for ‘good policing courses’ . 

14 minutes ago, Ani said:

 

There seems to be a real narrative that the Police go on these racially aware courses and this changes their mindset. 

‘UK police diversity training encompasses mandatory Equality, Diversity, and Inclusion (EDI) and anti-racism programs designed to reduce disparities in policing’

I know many people who work in the police and I know for a fact that it does change their mindset. Some say for good some for bad. As has been said, a balance is required. My link before wasn’t just about race. ‘Molly’ reported her concerns to GMP and the call handler said “police officers don’t commit crimes”

This is part of a bigger problem that I’m not going into.

All my views are my own. 

7 hours ago, Spider said:

Foke 😁

Woke Foke.

40 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

‘UK police diversity training encompasses mandatory Equality, Diversity, and Inclusion (EDI) and anti-racism programs designed to reduce disparities in policing’

I know many people who work in the police and I know for a fact that it does change their mindset. Some say for good some for bad. As has been said, a balance is required. My link before wasn’t just about race. ‘Molly’ reported her concerns to GMP and the call handler said “police officers don’t commit crimes”

This is part of a bigger problem that I’m not going into.

All my views are my own. 

I know what you are saying about the equality training. My point is that these guys totally forgot any training they had had about managing a crime scene. If they had done their jobs properly we would not be having the debate.

I honestly can not imagine they had taken away from any training that you just ignore the alleged victim.

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27 minutes ago, Ani said:

I know what you are saying about the equality training. My point is that these guys totally forgot any training they had had about managing a crime scene. If they had done their jobs properly we would not be having the debate.

I honestly can not imagine they had taken away from any training that you just ignore the alleged victim.

Think that’s the point, they didn’t see him as the victim, they saw him as the perpetrator of the crime they’d been sent to investigate . 

 

1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It's painfully obvious to me that these officers received a report of a racist incident and arrived on the scene with the preconcieved idea he was a racist little shit, then acted accordingly

That seems to be the most likely explanation to me too 

 

Osama's brother.

Wheelie Bin-Laden

2 minutes ago, fatolive said:

Think that’s the point, they didn’t see him as the victim, they saw him as the perpetrator of the crime they’d been sent to investigate . 

 

I know but imo they would have acted the same without the racism allegation. The bought into the lie they had been fed. 

7 minutes ago, Traf said:

"It was a ceremonial bin"

Seems to be the joke doing the rounds on social media. 

Which I admit did make me giggle. 

Whether colour  was a factor or not its has highlighted Kent Polices Race Action Plan, which is no doubt replicated across the country. This kind of nonsense is what leads to accusations of two tier policing.

      Is it too much to ask that they carry out their duties with integrity and common sense? But then again the recruitment bar is set so low these days that the answer is most likely yes.

7 hours ago, mickbrown said:

Farage is awfully quiet this morning. 

Wind up his stormtroopers, point them where he wants them, then backs away 
 

Job done eh?
 

Cunt

Don't sign yourself off that way mate. I've grown to quite like you.

Sir Nigel will be anything but quiet when the time is right. Don't you worry about that.

7 hours ago, kent_white said:

Little army of brown shirts at the ready. Same playbook at Trump. 

 So it's the Stasi and KGB on your side of politics now is it?

In keeping with labelling folk 'paedo', 'racist' etc. I suppose.

7 hours ago, deeane Koontz said:

Did exactly the same the other year for them race riots then scurried off like the cowardly little creature he is

 You should watch the vids again where the whole of the evil Brussels death star was trying to take him down.

"Well you aren't laughing now are you?"

6 hours ago, Zico said:

I doubt it

I doubt his actions, or inaction, woudl have made a difference

it's just a shite attitude

would he have been desperately trying to help resusciate the lad if he'd been stabbed by a white lad?

I doubt it

struggling to see anything other than a cop with a generally shit attitude

but nothing that shoudl result in riots

Bollocks. If the assailant had been a white local it would have been handled completely differently and you know it.

6 hours ago, bolty58 said:

 So it's the Stasi and KGB on your side of politics now is it?

In keeping with labelling folk 'paedo', 'racist' etc. I suppose.

I'm going to assume you don't know much about MMA

6 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I'm going to assume you don't know much about MMA

Did you miss a D out?