Meanwhile In England

[London Wanderer]

12 hours ago, royal white said:

I should have left it when I said “it’s always been the case” referring to the numerous examples you gave. I chose to give one. 
 

like I said the big clue is “policing”

 

 Bonkers that people want an event cancelled that every year sees people stabbed, police officers assaulted, sexual assaults, hundreds of arrests, people carrying guns etc. I mean what’s going through their minds?

Ban all carnivals.

St.Pauls 

Nottinghill

 the lot !

 Football attracts all sorts of trouble for the police as well. So does alcohol.

 get them both banned while we’re at it. Lets become Saudi Arabia 🙂 let’s punish the peaceful majority for the actions of a tiny minority. That’ll stop crime in its tracks 👍 collective punishment is what we need. Fck any nuance or underlying causes.

 An ex met relations officer suggested moving it to a less densely populated area & spreading it out. As the dense crowds are a magnet for gangs looking to settle feuds and disperse straight into the crowd. A stupid suggestion though. Ban them all. 

[Dimron]

8 hours ago, Ani said:

Tbf I read the original message and thought any cunt who buys a battered sausage deserves what comes. 

Seagull's actions probably extended his life expectancy by a few months

[royal white]

38 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Ban all carnivals.

St.Pauls 

Nottinghill

 the lot !

 Football attracts all sorts of trouble for the police as well. So does alcohol.

 get them both banned while we’re at it. Lets become Saudi Arabia 🙂 let’s punish the peaceful majority for the actions of a tiny minority. That’ll stop crime in its tracks 👍 collective punishment is what we need. Fck any nuance or underlying causes.

 An ex met relations officer suggested moving it to a less densely populated area & spreading it out. As the dense crowds are a magnet for gangs looking to settle feuds and disperse straight into the crowd. A stupid suggestion though. Ban them all. 

But but what about football 😂😂

[London Wanderer]

18 minutes ago, royal white said:

😂😂

I’ve no points left to make so I’ll chuck in a load of these, that’ll do it. 

 Like clockwork mate

 If you want something banned because a minority cause trouble then you need to apply it equally surely ?

Otherwise it’s just two tier banning

[royal white]

7 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I’ve no points left to make so I’ll chuck in a load of these, that’ll do it. 

 Like clockwork mate

 If you want something banned because a minority cause trouble then you need to apply it equally surely ?

Otherwise it’s just two tier banning

I’ve not said I wanted it banned. I can see why people do. 
 

The comparison with football is a bit stupid yet expected. 
 

Like clockwork mate 

[London Wanderer]

10 minutes ago, royal white said:

The comparison with football 

Perfectly reasonable mate

 Both attract a minority with violent intentions. Doesn’t mean we ban either

 it’s an absolutely massive event. Loads going on. Bands, family events, community groups. 

https://nhcarnival.org/carnival-info

I’m surprised you sympathise with folk wanting it band, but it’s to be expected 😁

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Perfectly reasonable mate

 Both attract a minority with violent intentions. Doesn’t mean we ban either

 it’s an absolutely massive event. Loads going on. Bands, family events, community groups. 

https://nhcarnival.org/carnival-info

I’m surprised you sympathise with folk wanting it band, but it’s to be expected 😁

Trying to think when guns were last taken to a match, multiple stabbings and acid attacks and a few rapes for good measure. 
 

And as you know the majority of funding for football matches comes from the clubs whereas the London tax payer foots the multi million pound policing bill for NH. 
 

Yes so just like footy 🤦🏻😂

Edited August 27, 2024 by royal white

[London Wanderer]

13 minutes ago, royal white said:

Trying to think when guns were play taken to a match, multiple stabbings and acid attacks and a few rapes for good measure. 
 

And as you know the majority of funding for football matches comes from the clubs whereas the London tax payer foots the multi million pound policing bill for NH. 
 

Yes so just like footy 🤦🏻😂

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/premier-league-football-clubs-pay-more-policing-lord-hogan-howe/
 

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/revealed-30m-tax-money-policing-matches-3049217?srsltid=AfmBOopLbKddJ0-NqLaGvYyRWsUCPWUf-xx92_LKCZ6PD5nsE4R8QmJr

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0047272723001524#:~:text=We find significant and robust,25 percent on game days.
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13481461/amp/football-hooliganism-feuds-rival-teams-police.html

https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/12703086/significant-rise-in-crime-at-football-matches-arrests-due-to-fan-disorder-in-england-and-wales-up-by-59-per-cent

I can understand why folk want football banned. Let’s just stop everyone playing at all. 
 

Notting Hill carnival isn’t in a stadium with searches upon entry. Of course it’s easier for folk to turn up with weapons.

Edited August 27, 2024 by London Wanderer

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/premier-league-football-clubs-pay-more-policing-lord-hogan-howe/
 

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/revealed-30m-tax-money-policing-matches-3049217?srsltid=AfmBOopLbKddJ0-NqLaGvYyRWsUCPWUf-xx92_LKCZ6PD5nsE4R8QmJr

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0047272723001524#:~:text=We find significant and robust,25 percent on game days.
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13481461/amp/football-hooliganism-feuds-rival-teams-police.html

https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/12703086/significant-rise-in-crime-at-football-matches-arrests-due-to-fan-disorder-in-england-and-wales-up-by-59-per-cent

I can understand why folk want it banned. Let’s just stop everyone playing at all. 
 

Notting Hill carnival isn’t in a stadium with searches upon entry. Of course it’s easier for folk to turn up with weapons.

Then surely they should consider moving it somewhere were it could be policed properly, somewhere  so shops don’t have to close their businesses for a weekend, somewhere so that residents don’t have to board their houses and move out for a few days. Somehere that will prevent knives and guns being carried in. 

 

How many knife attacks were carried out by 10s  of millions of fans over the season at footy? How many guns found?  How many Rapes? The numbers of arrests at football are nothing like that from NHC. 
 

5 arrests at a far right protest full of right wing, Nazi, racist, EDL, brain dead thugs. 334 arrests made at a fantastic celebration of Caribbean communities in London. 

Someone make it make sense
 

 

 

[Zico]

21 minutes ago, royal white said:

 

5 arrests at a far right protest full of right wing, Nazi, racist, EDL, brain dead thugs. 334 arrests made at a fantastic celebration of Caribbean communities in London. 

 

You were posting links telling us there was two tier policing going on at NHC yesterday

[Casino]

8 minutes ago, Zico said:

You were posting links telling us there was two tier policing going on at NHC yesterday

There clearly was

 

[gonzo]

8 hours ago, royal white said:

Trying to think when guns were last taken to a match, multiple stabbings and acid attacks and a few rapes for good measure. 
 

 

You clearly weren't at Wigan away last season.

[royal white]

7 hours ago, Zico said:

You were posting links telling us there was two tier policing going on at NHC yesterday

That’s right, a link to a former Met Inspector who also thinks 2 tier policing is an issue, you backed up his claim by giving a few examples yourself. Just imagine what the arrested figures would have been if 2 tier policing wasn’t an issue. 

[London Wanderer]

8 hours ago, Zico said:

You were posting links telling us there was two tier policing going on at NHC yesterday

 

8 hours ago, Casino said:

There clearly was

 

😄

[London Wanderer]

9 hours ago, royal white said:

Then surely they should consider moving it somewhere were it could be policed properly,

 

That’s what I literally posted earlier.

Sympathising with folk banning is bonkers IMO.

Knife & gang culture are huge issues. A lot of folk complain about this country going to the shit yet happily buy the coke when they’re on an away day. But that’s another story 🙂

The carnival isn’t causing these issues, it isn’t responsible for knife crime & gangs. The vast majority are there celebrating. 
 

So banning it for deeper rooted social problems makes no sense to me. 

Edited August 28, 2024 by London Wanderer

[royal white]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

That’s what I literally posted earlier.

Sympathising with folk banning is bonkers IMO.

Knife & gang culture are huge issues. A lot of folk complain about this country going to the shit yet happily buy the coke when they’re on an away day. But that’s another story 🙂

The carnival isn’t causing these issues, it isn’t responsible for knife crime & gangs. The vast majority are there celebrating. 
 

So banning it for deeper rooted social problems makes no sense to me. 

Almost as bonkers as trying to compare it with football. 
 

Just been trying to find the crime stats for the Bolton Food and Drink festival, I was hoping you might be able to find them. Would make a better comparison then the 10 year old study of German football violence that you posted 😅

[Jol_BWFC]

10 minutes ago, royal white said:

Almost as bonkers as trying to compare it with football.

But weren’t you the first person to mention comparing the two? I don’t think anyone had made any comparison until you raised it.

 

On 26/08/2024 at 10:08, royal white said:

Didn’t khan once say that the NH carnival was safer than watching England at Wembley? Or something like that 

 

On 26/08/2024 at 12:02, royal white said:

Bet you wouldn’t get away with it at the match

[royal white]

11 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

But weren’t you the first person to mention comparing the two? I don’t think anyone had made any comparison until you raised it.

 

 

The first comparison was made by the mayor. 👍

The second could have been any match, you chose football.👍

 

Both comparisons were made in relation  to 2 tier policing. LW comparison was made to compare arrest figures and if events should be banned.
 

Nice try but must do better. 

Edited August 28, 2024 by royal white

[Jol_BWFC]

Just now, royal white said:

The first comparison was made by the mayor. 👍

The second could have been any match, you chose football.👍

 

Both comparisons were made in relation  to 2 tier policing. LW comparison was made to compare arrest figures. 
 

Nice try but must do better. 

This post made me cringe. It would be much less embarrassing for you if you just owned it rather than trying to squirm out of it (badly).

[royal white]

8 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

This post made me cringe. It would be much less embarrassing for you if you just owned it rather than trying to squirm out of it (badly).

You would have a point if that was the case. As I mentioned LW was talking about banning football because of violence. Nothing to do with 2 tier policing which I was talking about. 
 

Keep trying. 

Edited August 28, 2024 by royal white

[gonzo]

Football fans have been treated differently since time began. Surely that's not up for debate?

 

[Zico]

2 hours ago, royal white said:

That’s right, a link to a former Met Inspector who also thinks 2 tier policing is an issue, you backed up his claim by giving a few examples yourself. Just imagine what the arrested figures would have been if 2 tier policing wasn’t an issue. 

Ok, so am clear then, on what you see as a 2 tier policing issue, using the specific examples you have provided 

you think the police weren't strict enough at NHC and there should've been more arrests 

And the "far right" protest you mentioned, 5 arrests, are you saying that was too many? 

Or that it was spot on and fair, and that NHC was just too lenient?

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, Zico said:

Ok, so am clear then, on what you see as a 2 tier policing issue, using the specific examples you have provided 

you think the police weren't strict enough at NHC and there should've been more arrests 

And the "far right" protest you mentioned, 5 arrests, are you saying that was too many? 

Or that it was spot on and fair, and that NHC was just too lenient?

I think there would have been a lot more arrests if the police didn’t turn a blind eye as the inspector mentioned. And As you mentioned anywhere else and they’re getting nicked.

the second point was to highlight there being an obvious problem with crime at the carnival, if a far right demo can pass virtually trouble free, yet a celebration of culture results in so much crime there’s obviously an issue. 

[deeane Koontz]

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