Meanwhile In England

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

I think there would have been a lot more arrests if the police didn’t turn a blind eye as the inspector mentioned. And As you mentioned anywhere else and they’re getting nicked.

the second point was to highlight there being an obvious problem with crime at the carnival, if a far right demo can pass virtually trouble free, yet a celebration of culture results in so much crime there’s obviously an issue. 

To be fair - there weren't a million people on the far right march. 

Here's the Glastonbury figures for this year by comparison.

"one burglary, three counts of criminal damage, 27 crime-related incidents, 19 drug offences, four counts of fraud, seven public order offences, one robbery, two sexual offences, 26 thefts, one vehicle offence, and 30 counts of violence against a person"

It was deemed a 'very safe' event by the police.

https://www.somersetcountygazette.co.uk/news/24422977.glastonbury-festival-2024-very-safe-fewer-arrests-crimes/?action=add_comment

Only 210,000 people over the course of the festival mind. And they were all searched on their way in. And they paid for tickets. 

Maybe that's part of the solution to your NHC problem? Although it kind of defeats the point of the event. 

 

[royal white]

22 minutes ago, kent_white said:

To be fair - there weren't a million people on the far right march. 

Here's the Glastonbury figures for this year by comparison.

"one burglary, three counts of criminal damage, 27 crime-related incidents, 19 drug offences, four counts of fraud, seven public order offences, one robbery, two sexual offences, 26 thefts, one vehicle offence, and 30 counts of violence against a person"

It was deemed a 'very safe' event by the police.

https://www.somersetcountygazette.co.uk/news/24422977.glastonbury-festival-2024-very-safe-fewer-arrests-crimes/?action=add_comment

Only 210,000 people over the course of the festival mind. And they were all searched on their way in. And they paid for tickets. 

Maybe that's part of the solution to your NHC problem? Although it kind of defeats the point of the event. 

 

So 30 arrests. Thats less than the number of police that were assaulted at NHC. 
 

Zero arrests at Bolton food and drink festival with 500k there (last year) 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

To be fair - there weren't a million people on the far right march. 

Here's the Glastonbury figures for this year by comparison.

"one burglary, three counts of criminal damage, 27 crime-related incidents, 19 drug offences, four counts of fraud, seven public order offences, one robbery, two sexual offences, 26 thefts, one vehicle offence, and 30 counts of violence against a person"

It was deemed a 'very safe' event by the police.

https://www.somersetcountygazette.co.uk/news/24422977.glastonbury-festival-2024-very-safe-fewer-arrests-crimes/?action=add_comment

Only 210,000 people over the course of the festival mind. And they were all searched on their way in. And they paid for tickets. 

Maybe that's part of the solution to your NHC problem? Although it kind of defeats the point of the event. 

 

There are questions over the number of attendees at the NH carnival.

Don't shoot the messenger but one report explained they're still using an old method of assessing numbers, which is related to the number of those reporting to St John's ambulance service (or similar) for treatment.

Not that it matters one jot, if some criminality is allowed to go on, and less so elsewhere- that way there is no easy comparison between different events.

[London Wanderer]

4 hours ago, royal white said:

 As I mentioned LW was talking about banning football because of violence.

It’s the RW show today 😁 you’re exceeding yourself sir.

There were many up to date links there for you.

 For the record, the comparison with football was only to show how daft the idea of banning the carnival is. If you sympathise with that train of thought, then you have to apply the logic to all events that attract a violent minority (such as football).

Which would be bonkers 🙃

Edited August 28, 2024 by London Wanderer

[royal white]

50 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

It’s the RW show today 😁 you’re exceeding yourself sir.

There were many up to date links there for you.

 For the record, the comparison with football was only to show how daft the idea of banning the carnival is. If you sympathise with that train of thought, then you have to apply the logic to all events that attract a violent minority (such as football).

Which would be bonkers 🙃

Well for a start the number of arrests compared to football are nowhere near comparable same with the level of violence. If one game every year attracted multiple stabbings, dozens of arrests, guns etc then I’m sure it would be looked at differently. Didn't something happen in the 80s which prevented English clubs competing in Europe for quite a few years because of the actions of a clubs fans?

And none of the links you shared, including the German ones, had any mentions of the levels of crime seen in one weekend in London.

Any luck with those Bolton food and drink festival numbers? 

Edited August 28, 2024 by royal white

[DazBob]

4 hours ago, royal white said:

The second could have been any match, you chose football.👍

Oh dear.

[royal white]

6 minutes ago, DazBob said:

Oh dear.

Oh dear. The topic was 2 tier policing not banning football. 
 

Try harder 

[DazBob]

Try harder at what?

Looks like you're making a fool of yourself all alone on this one.  Nothing to do with me.

Edited August 28, 2024 by DazBob

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, DazBob said:

Try harder at what?

Looks like you're making a fool of yourself all alone on this one.  Nothing to do with me.

Oh dear 🤦🏻

[gonzo]

10 minutes ago, DazBob said:

Try harder at what?

Looks like you're making a fool of yourself all alone on this one.  Nothing to do with me.

Tbf I thought he meant Tennis match.

[kent_white]

3 hours ago, royal white said:

So 30 arrests. Thats less than the number of police that were assaulted at NHC. 
 

Zero arrests at Bolton food and drink festival with 500k there (last year) 

Exactly. Hence the need for different styles of policing at different events. I'm pretty sure you'd have been arrested at Bolton Food and Drink festival for smoking a joint too....! 

[London Wanderer]

Bolton Food & Drinks festival numbers? 

He’s all over the place today. Setting other posters tasks to complete & figures to find 😄

2 million people attend Notting Hill carnival. I’m not sure if RW has ever been or not? But you’ve basically got just under 2 million people enjoying themselves & some excellent events (depending what you’re in to of course).

 It really isn’t the crime riddled cesspit that these headlines suggest. Especially when you think there’s millions attending.

 And that’s not to condone the violence or disruption being caused. Clearly something needs to change. But communities need events like this. Why anyone would sympathise with banning it just seems totally counterproductive. 

[royal white]

12 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Bolton Food & Drinks festival numbers? 

He’s all over the place today. Setting other posters tasks to complete & figures to find 😄

2 million people attend Notting Hill carnival. I’m not sure if RW has ever been or not? But you’ve basically got just under 2 million people enjoying themselves & some excellent events (depending what you’re in to of course).

 It really isn’t the crime riddled cesspit that these headlines suggest. Especially when you think there’s millions attending.

 And that’s not to condone the violence or disruption being caused. Clearly something needs to change. But communities need events like this. Why anyone would sympathise with banning it just seems totally counterproductive. 

Yes a couple of times I’ve asked if you can find the numbers of people arrested at Bolton food and drink festival but you want to ignore it, you probably know the answer though. 
 

I know some of those involved and supporting the NHC will say stabbings are part of human nature, for most normal people it’s not and it’s definitely not for the police who have spoken out yet again about it, they tired of seeing crime,  tired of saying the same thing. Hard to believe why a copper would say that if it’s not a “crime riddled cesspit” 

[gonzo]

I've actually no idea what the debate is here but isn’t it pretty well known NHC is a crime riddled cesspit?

There's literally stabbings every single year and 100s of arrests.

How the hell does it keep its licence?

 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

8 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I've actually no idea what the debate is here but isn’t it pretty well known NHC is a crime riddled cesspit?

There's literally stabbings every single year and 100s of arrests.

How the hell does it keep its licence?

 

 

Probably because if they banned it there’d be even more trouble. Oh and racism claims be made against the government or the met. 

Edited August 28, 2024 by Mounts Kipper

[BobyBrno]

Criminal damage! 10 years maximum sentence. Other terms may be available.

 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

It's two million people now, is it?

[Farrelli]

There was no trouble in Notting Hill when Hugh Grant was running that bookshop there in the 90s.

[London Wanderer]

6 hours ago, kent_white said:

To be fair - there weren't a million people on the far right march. 

Here's the Glastonbury figures for this year by comparison.

"one burglary, three counts of criminal damage, 27 crime-related incidents, 19 drug offences, four counts of fraud, seven public order offences, one robbery, two sexual offences, 26 thefts, one vehicle offence, and 30 counts of violence against a person"

It was deemed a 'very safe' event by the police.

https://www.somersetcountygazette.co.uk/news/24422977.glastonbury-festival-2024-very-safe-fewer-arrests-crimes/?action=add_comment

Only 210,000 people over the course of the festival mind. And they were all searched on their way in. And they paid for tickets. 

Maybe that's part of the solution to your NHC problem? Although it kind of defeats the point of the event. 

 

Good post

[London Wanderer]

53 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I've actually no idea what the debate is here but isn’t it pretty well known NHC is a crime riddled cesspit?

There's literally stabbings every single year and 100s of arrests.

How the hell does it keep its licence?

 

 

To answer you both

I guess it depends on your definition of cesspit. For me it implies the crime is everywhere & dominating everyone's experience there. 

Two million attend over the weekend and most of it passes peacefully. There's a kids carnival, loads of music, parades and food. 

knife and gang culture has crept it's way in and needs dealing with. how you do that I've no idea. but blaming the carnival or removing its licence isn't the way. 

[BobyBrno]

45 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

There was no trouble in Notting Hill when Hugh Grant was running that bookshop there in the 90s.

There weren’t 3 million people milling around then though. 

[Dimron]

1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It's two million people now, is it?

And that was just on the bus shelter 🙂

[Dimron]

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

Criminal damage! 10 years maximum sentence. Other terms may be available.

 

Daft buggers 

[royal white]

24 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

To answer you both

I guess it depends on your definition of cesspit. For me it implies the crime is everywhere & dominating everyone's experience there. 

Two million attend over the weekend and most of it passes peacefully. There's a kids carnival, loads of music, parades and food. 

knife and gang culture has crept it's way in and needs dealing with. how you do that I've no idea. but blaming the carnival or removing its licence isn't the way. 

Crept its way in 😂

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13783371/amp/notting-hill-carnival-arrests-five-year-high-stabbbings-sex-attacks-thefts.html

[Ani]

Are people using the fact that there were so many arrests at NHC as proof of Two Tier policing or to disprove it?